Polite Haggling - Advice
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I had two sleeps on it and I got uncomfortable with the dealer. Had he agreed on the day I would have the car on the drive now. The passage of time made me have second thoughts. The dealer was not very gracious about the deal, suggested he was doing it under an element of duress. So I said if we are both not sure let's not do it. Then he got insistant.
I called him and said no and I was polite, thanked him for his time and his offer. Aplogised for taking his time and deciding not to go ahead.
He told me I was a f##king time waster and a disgrace, and hung up on me.
I called him and said no and I was polite, thanked him for his time and his offer. Aplogised for taking his time and deciding not to go ahead.
He told me I was a f##king time waster and a disgrace, and hung up on me.
cliffords said:
I had two sleeps on it and I got uncomfortable with the dealer. Had he agreed on the day I would have the car on the drive now. The passage of time made me have second thoughts. The dealer was not very gracious about the deal, suggested he was doing it under an element of duress. So I said if we are both not sure let's not do it. Then he got insistant.
I called him and said no and I was polite, thanked him for his time and his offer. Aplogised for taking his time and deciding not to go ahead.
He told me I was a f##king time waster and a disgrace, and hung up on me.
Edited to add. My wife said I should do a Google review so I had a look. They had a fair few negative ones, all of which they had answered saying it was not their business but a local car wash business that was being reviewed. Quite odd perhaps a lucky escape.I called him and said no and I was polite, thanked him for his time and his offer. Aplogised for taking his time and deciding not to go ahead.
He told me I was a f##king time waster and a disgrace, and hung up on me.
I have derailed the thread a bit.
Muzzer79 said:
But you are interested in what they paid for it, which is why you're looking up WBAC prices.
They may have bought it months ago and be sitting on a huge loss, again not my concern. Market value today is what I'd be looking at, so yes wbac as a lower worst case number and as you say equivalent cars advertised elsewhere.Muzzer79 said:
The value in the market is measured by what cars are selling for, not what they are being bought for.
Surely is the same thing? You presumably mean selling to retail for a consumer rather than trade.Muzzer79 said:
You cannot expect to buy a car retail and then get out of it for anywhere close to that if you need to sell quickly.
Not disagreeingMuzzer79 said:
You cannot expect to buy a car for anywhere near trade money to mitigate the risk of needing to sell quickly.
Well you can if you buy trade or auction, but I guess we are talking about dealer purchase at RRP.As I said wbac is still a useful benchmark to gauge the current market (or last week's auction). No one is expecting it to be the same as dealer RRP though.
churchie2856 said:
Thank you, all, for the responses - some interesting points made and duly noted.
I'm going to call the dealer.
How did you get on?I'm going to call the dealer.
I have a 991 that I bought last year and my Autotrader search is still active as I'm interested to see what similar cars come onto the market. As one dealer said to me, 911's are almost priced like a commodity and as a result they're very consistently priced. It also means that if you miss one, another will be along pretty quickly.
£55k for a 991.2 Carrera S sounds right for a 'perfect' car - but the lack of OPC servicing and, I assume, no OPC warranty would put me off.
I think if you call a dealer and say you think the car is overpriced, and name-check WBAC then you won't get very far.
But if you call them and politely say that it's a touch above your budget and ask if there is any likely movement on price in the near future, then you might have more luck in striking a deal in the £52k region.
Ultimately, you it's a car with a less-than-ideal SH that might be hard for them to shift. You also don't know their cashflow situation, stock status, what's in their pipeline etc. Plenty of cars get punted between dealerships to make ends meet and you might be lucky and talk to the dealer just at the point where they're contemplating a different pricing strategy for it. If that's the case, you've put yourself first in the queue.
If they respond poorly to a polite and sincere enquiry, then I think you probably know what sort of company they are and how they'll treat you in terms of aftersales.
Either way, I think it's a bit pointless getting too attached to something on sale without viewing it with a mk.1 eyeball, as you might go to a lot of effort in negotiation only to find you're on the hook for a car that's not in the condition that the pics and videos infer.
But if you call them and politely say that it's a touch above your budget and ask if there is any likely movement on price in the near future, then you might have more luck in striking a deal in the £52k region.
Ultimately, you it's a car with a less-than-ideal SH that might be hard for them to shift. You also don't know their cashflow situation, stock status, what's in their pipeline etc. Plenty of cars get punted between dealerships to make ends meet and you might be lucky and talk to the dealer just at the point where they're contemplating a different pricing strategy for it. If that's the case, you've put yourself first in the queue.
If they respond poorly to a polite and sincere enquiry, then I think you probably know what sort of company they are and how they'll treat you in terms of aftersales.
Either way, I think it's a bit pointless getting too attached to something on sale without viewing it with a mk.1 eyeball, as you might go to a lot of effort in negotiation only to find you're on the hook for a car that's not in the condition that the pics and videos infer.
Update from me, the OP.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I’d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I’m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I’d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I’m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
churchie2856 said:
I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I bought mine privately and paid for a 111 check and finally the Porsche warranty before taking delivery. It's given me as much protection as buying from a Porsche dealer.It's not a route I would necessarily recommend, but just mention it as another route to purchase were you to find the perfect car. I've run the numbers a few times and there's a saving buying privately, even with £3k of a multiyear warranty added.
churchie2856 said:
Update from me, the OP.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
If you know the car you're after you could call some of the well-known specialists to 1) give them your details 2) some have acqusition servicesCalled the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
From experience, some of the indy-sold cars are reserved before they even hit their websites. Or the salesman you are talking to is working with buyers on other cars looking for p/x. Do this & regularly check AT, PH listing & OPC. Good luck
With a particular car/spec you will want to be ready to move as soon as the 'right' car comes up
churchie2856 said:
Update from me, the OP.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
At least you've learned that your own valuation was too low without offending anyone. Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
braddo said:
churchie2856 said:
Update from me, the OP.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
At least you've learned that your own valuation was too low without offending anyone. Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
2 months ago i saw the "Perfect car" at a dealer approx 2 hours away, had 2 telephone conversations as it was i thought a £16k car at £14k, then down to £13k over the phone they agreed £12500 perfect did my research, NO MOt so a 3rd call and the dealer explained the car needs tyres and has a crack in the windscreen but they will still get an MOT!! i declined and saved myself a 4-5 hour return drive to view the car. I would have been more than upset if i had driven there to see some cheap remoulds and a crack in the screen BUT it is always best to have a chat with the dealers and to view a car in person before buying
Update from me, the OP.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I’d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I’m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I’d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I’m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Hardly any dealers really want Porsches, and those that do also understand how quickly you can spend more than any profit on getting it ready to retail, hence why the margins are pretty high.
I think first time Porsche buyers, or those who have never bought one that is not new, or nearly new, simply don't understand how much money they can be to keep them factory fresh.
I think first time Porsche buyers, or those who have never bought one that is not new, or nearly new, simply don't understand how much money they can be to keep them factory fresh.
churchie2856 said:
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Why don't you want an S? They are often priced the same as a non S and tend to come with better spec.
The PASM alone makes them much nicer on our crappy roads.
I wouldn't care if I had an S or not, but seen a few people say they don't want and S recently.
Update from me, the OP.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I’d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I’m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Called the dealer, but it was reserved by then. So left my details should buyer pull out. That said, I think I’d be happier with an OPC car with the warranty (those potential turbos problems).
I’m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Ed.Neumann said:
churchie2856 said:
I m looking for a C2 (not S), non sunroof with sport seats plus, and not white or black.
Why don't you want an S? They are often priced the same as a non S and tend to come with better spec.
The PASM alone makes them much nicer on our crappy roads.
I wouldn't care if I had an S or not, but seen a few people say they don't want and S recently.
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