New front engined porker ??
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Today in our regular 'Iguana investigates' slot- the Lizard may have haplessly stumbled across a top secret Porsche idea.......
Spotted in Evo this month that 'Authoritative reports from the US' suggest a front engined- RWD Porsche is on the cards & that it would be an entry level car in the sub £35-35k bracket. Possibly a coupe or Saloon could this finally be a 944/68 replacement??
Bear with me on this next tangent coz just across the page to this snipet article is a statement from GM boss ref the GM Lightning concept car (Vx220 replacement) that now won't happen.
He says new crash regs make it very difficut to produce a front engined sports car as you now have to have 10cm of space over the engine & that the only solution he can see is a flat engine- like a subaru....
Soooooo putting 2 and 2 together & ref the front engined porker idea, anyone else thinking what I am (no- not the thing about Kylie covered in baby oil) simply that a certain manufacturer of products pork flavored is rather well known for engines a la horizontally opposed......
So not only is there a possible posible option that Porsche may at last admit its huuuuuuuuge error in never bringing out a replacemnt for the excellent 944/68, but also there is the slim posibilty that porsche could at last place a a tuneful flat six at the correct end of the car
Hmmmmm I can just see it now, bung in a GT3 engine, have a cabin as devoid of creature comforts as your average Stalag, brakes from messers big & red at Brembo, kidney hugging seats from the nice chaps at Recaro, & suspension from Herr Bilstein esq, a skip at Stuttgart filled with un-necessary lardy crap & poncy drivers aids- and you could have ladies & gentlemen a 968CS for the new milenium......
(This idea is copyright Lizard productions 2003 Ltd PlC ABC GCSE, all rights reserved)
>>> Edited by iguana on Wednesday 1st October 21:14
Spotted in Evo this month that 'Authoritative reports from the US' suggest a front engined- RWD Porsche is on the cards & that it would be an entry level car in the sub £35-35k bracket. Possibly a coupe or Saloon could this finally be a 944/68 replacement??
Bear with me on this next tangent coz just across the page to this snipet article is a statement from GM boss ref the GM Lightning concept car (Vx220 replacement) that now won't happen.
He says new crash regs make it very difficut to produce a front engined sports car as you now have to have 10cm of space over the engine & that the only solution he can see is a flat engine- like a subaru....
Soooooo putting 2 and 2 together & ref the front engined porker idea, anyone else thinking what I am (no- not the thing about Kylie covered in baby oil) simply that a certain manufacturer of products pork flavored is rather well known for engines a la horizontally opposed......
So not only is there a possible posible option that Porsche may at last admit its huuuuuuuuge error in never bringing out a replacemnt for the excellent 944/68, but also there is the slim posibilty that porsche could at last place a a tuneful flat six at the correct end of the car
Hmmmmm I can just see it now, bung in a GT3 engine, have a cabin as devoid of creature comforts as your average Stalag, brakes from messers big & red at Brembo, kidney hugging seats from the nice chaps at Recaro, & suspension from Herr Bilstein esq, a skip at Stuttgart filled with un-necessary lardy crap & poncy drivers aids- and you could have ladies & gentlemen a 968CS for the new milenium......
(This idea is copyright Lizard productions 2003 Ltd PlC ABC GCSE, all rights reserved)
>>> Edited by iguana on Wednesday 1st October 21:14
where do I place my deposit?
diver944 said:
Also, why not make it an air cooled flat-6
The problem is young Diver that the noise & emissions nazis have killed off air cooled engines, so alas it will never be a reality as a new car.
Nowt to stop you bunging one in a 944 tho.... oh and a 993 turbo lump gets my vote- an easily achivable and unstressed 500bhp- lovely jubbly
iguana said:
iguana said:
AJLintern said:
How much does a 993C2 engine cost?
About £3k.
Is that all the bits ready for a rebuild?
???
Just seems the price of a unit ready for a rebuild at £3k.
I have not seen anything you can put straight in and use for much less than £5k.
If you can buy a good 993 engine for £3k,it would make a lot of sense to stick one in a 3.2 carrera,rather than spend the £2-£3k they need on an inevitable top end re-build.
bluevelvet said:
Just seems the price of a unit ready for a rebuild at £3k.
I have not seen anything you can put straight in and use for much less than £5k.
If you can buy a good 993 engine for £3k,it would make a lot of sense to stick one in a 3.2 carrera,rather than spend the £2-£3k they need on an inevitable top end re-build.
Fair enough £3k is pretty bargain basement level I admit, but I know of engines bought for £3k & good units too, (however I've also paid £5k when one was needed in a hurry tho) so I know £3k is possible but you do have to search for 'em.
As an example a 993 engine & all ancilaries inc exhaust is in 911 & PW this month for £3.6K it states 15,000km which id take with a pinch of salt, but still as long as you check it out properly it could be a bargain.
People do put 993 lumps in 3.2s etc Im sure 911 & PW did a feature a while back- I can't find the mag at the mo but 9m did it if I recall correctly.
Everyone knows the 944 and 928 series of engines were the best to come out of Zuffenhausen. The flat-six was raced with a lot of success, but had it been the better design, it wouldn't be water cooled today.
Here's probably the best engine ever built by Porsche for a street going car.
www.kellymoss.com/Images/928GTR1.jpg
Dogsharks
Here's probably the best engine ever built by Porsche for a street going car.
www.kellymoss.com/Images/928GTR1.jpg
Dogsharks
iguana said:
The problem is young Diver
Younf Diver - I like this bloke
Question for the people who have put different engines into cars (possbly a stoopid question
) . Are you then supposed to inform any officialdom like the DVLA or get the registration documents altered in any way to show a different engine, even if you are putting a sandard engine in from another identical car?I don't think there is an official requirement. You just write the new details onto the log book and send it off, like a change of address. They don't check. I once wrote the wrong VIN number for a car on it (had about twelve zeroes in a line and I put eleven!) and it never mattered. The onus is on the keeper to get it right - could only really cause trouble for them in terms of resale etc if they didn't.
I suppose the only time you wouldn't declare a new engine is if you forget, don't think it's relevant, or have stolen it
I suppose the only time you wouldn't declare a new engine is if you forget, don't think it's relevant, or have stolen it
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