RE: Spoiled

[Graham and Rosie]

I think they have added the spoiler so it looks a bit more like the Tuscan race car Actually I don't think it looks too bad, but need to see it in the flesh to be sure, not sure about the vertical lights, but do like the drinks tray below the fron grill, you could stand on that to polish the bonnet ================ Graham and Rosie

[GreenV8S]

Is this some sort of homologation thing? So they can fit them race cars? Peter Humphries (and a green V8S)

quote:I think they have added the spoiler so it looks a bit more like the Tuscan race car Actually I don't think it looks too bad, but need to see it in the flesh to be sure, not sure about the vertical lights, but do like the drinks tray below the fron grill, you could stand on that to polish the bonnet ================ Graham and Rosie

[Graham and Rosie]

I think you are getting confused Pete, it's easy really, there is the Tuscan race car (as in the Tuscan Challenge) which has been ging for ages, then there was the Tuscan Speed Six, then the Tuscan Speed Six Red Rose, then they changed the spec to create the Tuscan Speed Six that costs a lot more, now they are at it agin with the Tuscan (down to 3.6 engine wet sumped), the Tuscan S with all the spoilers and different place for the indicators, and of course the Tuscan R which is doing the GT's and can be bought with dog seats - easy isn't it.... By the way, I was saying the Tuscan S rear gurney spoiler looks like the Tuscan Challenge race car gurney spoilers - phew, clear as mud now then ;o) ================ Graham and Rosie

[richb]

quote:the Tuscan S rear gurney spoiler looks like the Tuscan Challenge race car gurney spoilers Graham and Rosie

Ah that's the clue then, isn't Gurney'ing some wierd thing they do up North, to make something really ugly ?

[tim stanley]

..but has it got a Max Power sunshade and a stick-on Dimma fuel cap (carbon fibre effect of course !) ? Tim

[AndrewD]

As if you needed it, yet another reason to buy a Cerbera instead

[kate]

the wet sumped ts6 sounds suspiciously like the mooted spec of the tamora, perhaps they are scrapping the nasty thing or putting another engine in.

[Graham and Rosie]

I think the idea is that by sharing the engine, they can keep costs down The Tamora is now supposed to be "May", not sure which year though Heard an interesting theory on why there are so few orders, there is no price insentive to order now (remember the price rise after the 1998 motorshow encouraged a lot of Tuscan orders) and so people have expressed an interest but are waiting until they have driven one and seen it in the flesh before placing their orders...it's possible I suppose ================ Graham and Rosie

[paul]

been thinking about this one - I suspect that the reason the spoiler is slapped on the back & not on the boot-lid is one of strength: i.e. given the proclivity of the Chimaera boot to go walkabout and the rather dainty looking hinges/ locking mechanism on the Tuscan - they had no choice other than the bodywork mounted effort that we see before us.

[Graham and Rosie]

quote:Imagine if the boot doesn't pop open upon demand one day, will it be a penknife job to jemmy the thing open 'cos it's impossible to grab the leading edge of the boot? The rain gutters are a good one too, what happens if & when they get blocked? I wonder what was wrong with having a spoiler on the bootlid? Two vertical supports either side supporting a nice curvy spoiler which follows the line of the bootlid.

If the boot doesn't pop open and you can't manage to get your fingers in at the back, there is always the sides where there is no spoiler!! If the rain gutter get blocked, then you unblock them...actually they are quite big so they are not likely to be easily blocked, i.e. they are about 1" long, not just pin holes. There is probably a very good reason for not having a wing which follows the boot curves, probably something like wanting to have a wing that holds down the back rather than a nicely styled, funtionally useless wing Just my thoughts!!!! ================ Graham and Rosie

[stig]

quote:I'm sure that I've read somewhere that it doesn't look that bad in the flesh, it has to look better than in the piccies I guess...

Had a good poke around one at Oulton Park on Sunday - it DOES look that bad in the flesh http://www.locost-racing.com Car No. 13

[zertec]

To have some degree of downforce at just about all speeds below 200mph the aerofoil must have a large, unaesthetic angle of attack. Take a look at the angle of the Lotus 340R rear aerofoil, the rear spoiler on the Tuscan race car and even, next weekend in Monaco, have a close look at the exit angle of the F1 cars' rear wing assembly, they are all nearly vertical. Gurney flaps are added to increase this effect. The cosmetic wings on your average road car will only slow the thing down, even the Countach's famous delta wing gave no downforce only drag. TVR are addressing serious issues on a serious car. If you don't want the benefit of the spoiler then I am sure you can have the car without it. Clive Reed Zertec Limited [e-mail] www.zertec.co.uk

[AndrewD]

Why must it be unaesthetic just because it has a large angle of attach? It doesn't look bad on a 340R, Esprit Sport 350, or Noble M12. And the wing on Shorty's Cerbera looks great IMHO.

[tuscanboy]

I get the impression that Clive thinks we're all much to busy polishing and admiring our cars and should spend more time driving at 140MPH around the countyside. Then we would fully appreciate the value of this hideous modification and have no time to worry about the the dogs dinner of a rear end TVR have created.

[ZERTEC]

The Noble M12 GTO and the Esprit Sport 350 aerofoils actually have very shallow angles of attack. I used the term 'unaesthetic' as a large angle of attack is not what everyone has become used to on road cars. At lower, almost legal, speeds (not 140mph) the angle must be increased to have any effect at all. TVR Engineering have taken the simplest and cheapest route in solving the rear-lift problem. Of course they could stick a motorsport style aerofoil on the back like Lotus did but that would require considerable re-engineering of the boot lid, hinges, struts, etc. as well as the wing being a lot more expensive to produce. For example these are the prices Ultima charge for aerofoils: Body mounted rear wing in GRP. £875-00 Pylon mounted rear wing in carbon fibre. £1480-00 GT spec mid mounted rear wing. £1950-00 Ted Marlow has not just plucked these figures out of thin air, these items are expensive. I admit that other more attractive solutions than the Tuscan S spoiler are possible but all of them are more expensive. All I am saying is that TVR have given you, the customer, a choice. If you want to have extra downforce going round that wet corner at 70mph it is available. BTW we (Zertec) have some motorsport style rear aerofoils. I could be persuaded to produce a 'Tuscan Z' with a more interesting grill and rear-end treatment..... Clive Reed Zertec Limited [e-mail] www.zertec.co.uk