After-mark HIDS?, dash warning lights? -you've failed MOT!
Discussion
mmm-five said:
AngryPartsBloke said:
Personally i dont see why i have to be blinded on the way home from work so some t**ts have the freedom to show off who has the brightest blue headlights outside Mcdonalds on a friday night.
But you're happy for everyone else who's not blinding you, and only upgraded to have better night vision, to be punished by the same 'law'.Surely if they're aligned correctly then they're not going to dazzle anyone, or next you'll be demanding the death sentence for anyone who doesn't switch of their main beam quickly enough for you.
BTW, both my M5s and Z4MC have HIDs. The M5's were aftermarket but have headlight washing and suspension levelling, so would pass the test even if they were fitted with 't**t-blue' bulbs. The Z4MC ones are original, but bounce around a lot more due to the car being so stiff that it doesn't absorb the bumps as well as the M5s.
Nothing against real improved systems.....................but the legalities are there for good reason.
"The new test includes a check on the presence and correct function of the steering lock where fitted as standard."
That will p
s off alot of C5 Corvette owners, as there was a issue with it some time ago and most people me included removed them because they where failing while driving... Very dangerous.
That will p
s off alot of C5 Corvette owners, as there was a issue with it some time ago and most people me included removed them because they where failing while driving... Very dangerous.Good, Hate the things with a passion. People who support it are normally those that have them and i ask them now are you not p***ed off when someone blinds you occssionally.... yes im sure the answer is so how do you come to the conclusion its fair to blind everyone all of the time...
GTRCLIVE said:
"It must be possible to secure the driver's seat fore and aft adjustment mechanism in two or three different positions. On electric seats the motors must move the seat fore and aft."
So thats going to fail half the kit cars on the road....
Only if it has a fore and aft adjustment...So thats going to fail half the kit cars on the road....
stuwalsh said:
mmm-five said:
AngryPartsBloke said:
Personally i dont see why i have to be blinded on the way home from work so some t**ts have the freedom to show off who has the brightest blue headlights outside Mcdonalds on a friday night.
But you're happy for everyone else who's not blinding you, and only upgraded to have better night vision, to be punished by the same 'law'.Surely if they're aligned correctly then they're not going to dazzle anyone, or next you'll be demanding the death sentence for anyone who doesn't switch of their main beam quickly enough for you.
BTW, both my M5s and Z4MC have HIDs. The M5's were aftermarket but have headlight washing and suspension levelling, so would pass the test even if they were fitted with 't**t-blue' bulbs. The Z4MC ones are original, but bounce around a lot more due to the car being so stiff that it doesn't absorb the bumps as well as the M5s.
Nothing against real improved systems.....................but the legalities are there for good reason.
I think the main problem is the fitting of these to reflector lenses they were not designed for these and the beam pattern is uncontrollable which causes the dazzle.
stuwalsh said:
So if your z4 bounces round and blinds others why don't you seem to realise that's why self levelling systems are a must??
Nothing against real improved systems.....................but the legalities are there for good reason.
You misread my post.Nothing against real improved systems.....................but the legalities are there for good reason.
The Z4's HIDs are standard fitment from the factory, along with a self-levelling & headlight washer system = MOT pass, but probably annoy other motorists.
So the Z4's HIDs are perfectly legal as per the new MOT, but they'll distract/annoy other motorists more than the 'illegal' aftermarket ones on the M5 (which also had self-levelling & headlight washer, but were originally halogen).
Im surprised this is such a big issue, as the 8000k Ice blue HID is no longer the popular choice and are a rarity these days. The number of cars with ill fitting kits that dazzle are minute compared to the overall number fitted.
I drive a relatively `low` car and I find that most 4x4`s headlights are directly inline with my mirrors which are extremely bright, that is a far more common problem than aftermarket kits.
I drive a relatively `low` car and I find that most 4x4`s headlights are directly inline with my mirrors which are extremely bright, that is a far more common problem than aftermarket kits.
Anyone who can't see the road ahead with normal headlights, clearly doesn't have good enough vision, and shouldn't be allowed on the roads at night. Even if these lights aren't pointing in your eyes, very white light is much more distracting that a yellow hue.
Edited by GBDG on Monday 30th January 23:00
Jetl3on said:
I should also add that I have fitted a HID kit without a levelling system, as the OEM bulbs are simply not good enough in extreme weather conditions, which justified fitting of the HID kit and for safety reasons I am reluctant to reverse.
Very sad, because I know you are wrong, and worse still YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG!!!DaveEssex said:
Jetl3on said:
I should also add that I have fitted a HID kit without a levelling system, as the OEM bulbs are simply not good enough in extreme weather conditions, which justified fitting of the HID kit and for safety reasons I am reluctant to reverse.
Very sad, because I know you are wrong, and worse still YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG!!!Jetl3on said:
Explain?
As an employee of a multi-national automotive manufacterer for many years, I have very detailed experience of the "homoligation" processes required to validate the suitability and safety of in-vehicle systems.Who did your homoligation, on which you based your conclusions about safety?
GBDG said:
Anyone who can't see the road ahead with normal headlights, clearly doesn't have good enough vision, and shouldn't be allowed on the roads at night. Even if these lights aren't pointing in your eyes, very white light is much more distracting that a yellow hue.
Define `normal headlights`, you mean Halogen? I dont know much about the technology behind it, but arent Xenons of a similar `intensity` to HIDs fitted as standard in many cars, which emit a white light? Why would manufacturers fit these if `normal` yellow lights are just as effective?Edited by GBDG on Monday 30th January 23:00
HIDs come in varying degrees of brightness and hue, if you stay away from the competition bulbs, such as maybe the stupid 8000k upwards and are fitted correctly, you wouldnt know the difference between them and the neighbours brand new 4x4 headlights.
GBDG said:
Anyone who can't see the road ahead with normal headlights, clearly doesn't have good enough vision, and shouldn't be allowed on the roads at night. Even if these lights aren't pointing in your eyes, very white light is much more distracting that a yellow hue.
Now you explain!!!Edited by GBDG on Monday 30th January 23:00
DaveEssex said:
Jetl3on said:
Explain?
As an employee of a multi-national automotive manufacterer for many years, I have very detailed experience of the "homoligation" processes required to validate the suitability and safety of in-vehicle systems.Who did your homoligation, on which you based your conclusions about safety?
I dont need to know the Homologation processes of a Mullti National Automotive Manufatcurer to tell me I can change the bulbs or change the car, I chose the former. No Offence.
Whilst I understand the ill feeling towards HID`s and you all have a right to b*tch, when your sat in a car with lights barely brighter than a candle, its a no brainer.
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