RE: 80mph limit will cost £1bn say campaigners

[mrmr96]

Al 450 said:

Depends on engine torque/aerodynamics/gearing, increasing your motorway cruising speed to 80mph might actually save fuel if you drive the right car...

There's plenty of arguments for/against an 80mph limit. I personally would support the increase to 80. However, I don't think that there's a realistic case for finding a car more economical at 80 than 70mph. I know that cars can be more economical at different points in the rev range, but given the exponential increase in drag with speed, I am highly doubtful that you can show me any car which is more economical at 80 than 70mph.

[MKnight702]

350Matt said:

You do have to wonder if the hysterical members of brake do actaully drive

Fixed that for you.

[DaveH23]

Rollcage said:

People will, I imagine, carry on driving at the same speed they already do.

Think I will be part of this group.

My commute is about 9 miles of DC and really dont see any added benefit of going any quicker apart from the fact the roads are too congested to do it.

Sitting at an extra 10mph will make very little time to my regular journeys.

I can see the benefit to those doing galactic motorway miles though.

[IanO]

We drive 95 billion miles on trunk roads and motorways each year. If we did that at 80mph rather than 70mph we would save 170 million hours, which at minimum wage of £6.08 is just over £1bn value in the economy.

[jetpilot]

In the skim reading of their site i detect slight over reaction to the proposed 80mph, one of the words they used for reason against was "inhumane"! LOL

Edited by jetpilot on Monday 21st May 12:48

[DannyScene]

VR6 Turbo said:

can we launch a DNS attack on their website? or perhaps PH should release there own press release that under minds all the points raise by Brake?

I am no were near intelligent enough for this though.

VR

We can't but we can launch a DOS attack


ETA: bks should've read the whole thread first, someone already said this

[Crow555]

Is it really worth getting all pent up about this? Brake are nothing more than the automotive version of PETA. They come out with some sort of stunt to highlight their agenda, everyone ignores it and they go away again.

They aren't worth the time or attention, frankly.

[Garlick]

Can we not start posting on their FB walls please, it just causes us issues we don't need.

Thanks.

[VR6 Turbo]

juansolo said:

VR6 Turbo said:

can we launch a DNS attack on their website?

I think you mean a denial of service attack rather than a DNS attack. Unless you mean to aggressively resolve their IP address...

DannyScene said:

We can't but we can launch a DOS attack


ETA: bks should've read the whole thread first, someone already said this

Look I am no internet hacker type. but yeah what he said 'DOS attack'

VR

[will261058]

As usual the "dogooders" will shout the loudest and get listened to. I would question some of the figures they put forward, for instance the increase in fuel cost is irrelevant since it will be born by the user not the govt and is therefor down to personal choice with the treasury actually seeing an increase in tax take! All the talk about carbon is a nonsense too since it is the same as MPG anyway. If you burn a specific amount of fuel it will produce a specific amount of carbon, yes modern engines are more efficient but essentially MPG and carbon emissions are one and the same.

[rev-erend]

It would be very nice if the government did increase certain motorways to 80mph .. I dont see my speeds changing, it just makes legal what most of us do on good roads in good conditions.

[stevejh]

jetpilot said:

If anyone wants to leave a response to Brake, i am sure they would love to hear from us Pistonheads.

http://www.facebook.com/noto80

In the skim reading of their site i detect slight over reaction to the proposed 80mph, one of the words they used for reason against was "inhumane"! LOL

Have you read some of the comments on there? I bet most of them are from people who either never drive on motorways or, if they do, insist on sitting at an indicated 70mph in the middle lane.

[Sicob]

I would love to be a back seat passenger for somebody that supports "Brake". You couldn't be too critical of their driving. "Too many revs", "Too fast", "Too many carbons", "think of the children", "You are killing the ozone right now!", "Unnecessary journey". Anything they come back with, you can quote the utter ste they spout in retort. Almost guarantee they are hypocrits. Retards.

[Alex]

TheRoadWarrior said:

180 million in Carbon costs?

What exactly are 'Carbon costs'?

An increase in coal consumption, I believe.

[matfinch]

This article got me so frustrated that I thought I'd read a bit more about it. So i visited the Brake website to see what they had to say. Amongst the info, there was a link to a "No to 80" document which talks about the £1bn cost.

Here is that dicument:
http://noto80.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/noto80-1...

The document details all the above info about cost of road casulties, carbon costs, and fuel costs to motorists.

However, what the document also mentions is the extra income for the treasury. "Cash to the treasury: £491.8 million"

So yes, while the increased speed limit could lead to extra costs, the extra revenues significantly outweigh the cost. So the £1bn number is VERY misleading! I think Brake should really be presenting a balanced argument!

Rant over
Mat

[jazzyjeff]

vinnie83 said:

Forgive me if I'm missing the obvious, but surely the increase in fuel costs would result in further revenue to the treasury rather than a cost?

True - although increased fuel use doesn't help when there's a supply shortage.

However, if the idiots at Brake are serious about saving fuel and reducing pollution, their energies would be better focused on lobbying for improved traffic flows in city centres and general congestion blackspots, which is where most fuel is wasted sitting in jams

[will261058]

Sicob said:

I would love to be a back seat passenger for somebody that supports "Brake". You couldn't be too critical of their driving. "Too many revs", "Too fast", "Too many carbons", "think of the children", "You are killing the ozone right now!", "Unnecessary journey". Anything they come back with, you can quote the utter ste they spout in retort. Almost guarantee they are hypocrits. Retards.

Just like any Plod giving you a lecture for speeding with their intact halo and belief that they are worthy of casting that first stone, yeah right!

[bass2rez]

VR6 Turbo said:

juansolo said:

VR6 Turbo said:

can we launch a DNS attack on their website?

I think you mean a denial of service attack rather than a DNS attack. Unless you mean to aggressively resolve their IP address...

DannyScene said:

We can't but we can launch a DOS attack


ETA: bks should've read the whole thread first, someone already said this

Look I am no internet hacker type. but yeah what he said 'DOS attack'

VR

I hope this is being said in jest, and that nobody is actually thinking of doing this. It is illegal, and will not do the pro-car enthusiasts any good at all.

As Garlick has said, please keep some perspective on all this, we don't want to cause problems for ourselves.

[Thejimreaper]

Pointless, everyone drives at 80mph anyway?!

[jetpilot]

Garlick said:

Can we not start posting on their FB walls please, it just causes us issues we don't need.

Thanks.

Edited post to comply, apologies