Armageddon for modified car owners
Discussion
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/#more-901
I've not read through it in great detail but it looks pretty heavy duty. Oh dear.
In short:
"We have unfortunately now been proved correct with a single item before the EC parliament that will prevent any modifying and will, currently, render already modified cars illegal."
This is bad too:
"... introduce a definition for a roadworthiness test that components of the vehicle must comply with characteristics at the time of first registration. This may prevent most modifications to vehicles without further approval of the vehicle. (this will apply to many components and to all types of vehicle)"
NEW definition of historic:
“(7) ‘vehicle of historic interest’ means any vehicle which fulfils all the following conditions :
Lots of question marks around it but definitely something that needs looking at. I'm sure there will be workarounds and it might eventually end up watered down but it sounds like it'll make things quite complicated and boring.
I've not read through it in great detail but it looks pretty heavy duty. Oh dear.
In short:
"We have unfortunately now been proved correct with a single item before the EC parliament that will prevent any modifying and will, currently, render already modified cars illegal."
This is bad too:
"... introduce a definition for a roadworthiness test that components of the vehicle must comply with characteristics at the time of first registration. This may prevent most modifications to vehicles without further approval of the vehicle. (this will apply to many components and to all types of vehicle)"
NEW definition of historic:
“(7) ‘vehicle of historic interest’ means any vehicle which fulfils all the following conditions :
- It was manufactured at least 30 years ago,
- It is maintained by use of replacement parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle;
- It has not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension and
- It has not been changed in its appearance;"
Lots of question marks around it but definitely something that needs looking at. I'm sure there will be workarounds and it might eventually end up watered down but it sounds like it'll make things quite complicated and boring.
Edited by theseoldcars on Tuesday 21st August 22:28
LiamB said:
Wait what?..
So this puts an end to modifying completely?
Meaning all of us with PH sticker are (Apparently) illegal?
No, I think you'll still be able to modify you car but most likely it will then have to pass an IVA test. So this puts an end to modifying completely?
Meaning all of us with PH sticker are (Apparently) illegal?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...
Doable but hard (if not impossible) for some.
Please correct me if that's not the case though - sure there are people here who are better informed - it's been a long day.
(although inevitably they will try and put a stop to the whole modifying scene - make everything the same, much easier to govern)
Edited by theseoldcars on Tuesday 21st August 22:38
xr287 said:
Define modified? I have a non standard £350 stainless steel exhaust because it would have cost 2 or 3 times that for a steel one from Renault that would rust away again.
I think you might be OK in that instance. For example, with regards to historics, the proposal states (paraphrasing a bit here):"maintained by use of repro replacement parts / not sustained any change in the technical characteristics or appearance"
I suspect that you could probably get away with a stainless exhaust, that's similar to the OEM item, as being a "reproduction" part.
Lots of question marks and clarification needed though with this "proposal".
This is ridiculous.
. It essentially renders as much as 15% of cars useless. If this goes down to alloy/exhaust/air filter level.Also in certain cars far more?How many skylines, type rs, 182s ,mr2s and silvias does this make ilegal? As much as 60% depending on model?
What about the 600hp + supras out there? Many will be uneconomical to make standard and be scrapped/confined to track.
This effectively devalues peoples property and renders many business bankrupt if true.
. It essentially renders as much as 15% of cars useless. If this goes down to alloy/exhaust/air filter level.Also in certain cars far more?How many skylines, type rs, 182s ,mr2s and silvias does this make ilegal? As much as 60% depending on model?
What about the 600hp + supras out there? Many will be uneconomical to make standard and be scrapped/confined to track.
This effectively devalues peoples property and renders many business bankrupt if true.
Here's the "proposal" itself: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/doc/roadworthiness-p...
For example: "(9) ‘roadworthiness test’ means a verification that the parts and components of a vehicle
comply with its safety and environmental characteristics in force at the time of
approval, first registration or entry into service, as well as at the time of retrofitting;"
"The Commission proposes to introduce a definition for a roadworthiness test that components of the vehicle must comply with characteristics at the time of first registration. This may prevent most modifications to vehicles without further approval of the vehicle. (this will apply to many components and to all types of vehicle)
The Commission proposes to change the definition of an Historic Vehicle that may be exempt from periodic testing. This may allow vehicles older than 30 years to be exempt from testing providing the vehicle has been maintained in its original condition, including its appearance."
(That is from here: http://tinyurl.com/cpw5lnj)
For example: "(9) ‘roadworthiness test’ means a verification that the parts and components of a vehicle
comply with its safety and environmental characteristics in force at the time of
approval, first registration or entry into service, as well as at the time of retrofitting;"
"The Commission proposes to introduce a definition for a roadworthiness test that components of the vehicle must comply with characteristics at the time of first registration. This may prevent most modifications to vehicles without further approval of the vehicle. (this will apply to many components and to all types of vehicle)
The Commission proposes to change the definition of an Historic Vehicle that may be exempt from periodic testing. This may allow vehicles older than 30 years to be exempt from testing providing the vehicle has been maintained in its original condition, including its appearance."
(That is from here: http://tinyurl.com/cpw5lnj)
I'm just hoping that the vagueness of it all might make it easier to dodge around. Still an awful lot to be clarified here but it's certainly something that needs to be looked at now, especially if they're pushing it through soon, rather than just having it land on our doorsteps one morning.
That's a huge industry more or less wiped out, rolling roads will lose business, 60% of jap cars will be unroadworthy, parts manufacturers will cease trading, tuning shops bust, the whole aftermarket/modified parts industry will become more or less illegal, think of all the small racing teams that fund their cars through tuning and modifying, what a terrible blow to the economy.
This cannot happen.
How can they say they are fighting for new job and then loose us thousands of them?
Surely its human rights that you should be allowed to modify which is rightly yours?
They've messed with bikers but I think they've prodded the wrong wasp nest this time, i see motorways all up the country being blocked with modified cars.....
How can they say they are fighting for new job and then loose us thousands of them?
Surely its human rights that you should be allowed to modify which is rightly yours?
They've messed with bikers but I think they've prodded the wrong wasp nest this time, i see motorways all up the country being blocked with modified cars.....
t is exactly what ruins people's lives, and livelihoods.CDP said:
We can hope that the EU will disintegrate before they have chance to put this through but presumably there will be a number of MEPs who are car enthusiasts in most countries. They strike me as being a good starting point for lobbying.
Does anybody know how we find out who our MEP is?
UKIP MEPs are our best bet as they always stand for liberty and freedom, they have 12 MEPSDoes anybody know how we find out who our MEP is?
East Midlands Derek Clark, Roger Helmer
East of England Stuart Agnew
London Gerard Batten
North West England Paul Nuttall
South East England Nigel Farage, Marta Andreasen
South West England
Trevor Colman, Earl of Dartmouth
Wales John Bufton
Yorkshire and the Humber Godfrey Bloom
West Midlands Mike Nattrass
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