Will you be EV or internal combustion in ten years/?/
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Cars beforme a function nothing emotional about it.And the cleaner they are the better for most of us.Children growing up in towns full of exhaust fumes is not ideal is it?
The fun is driving is on a track where you are allowed to put your foot down.I was driving a Lamborghini a week ago that was fun.
The fun is driving is on a track where you are allowed to put your foot down.I was driving a Lamborghini a week ago that was fun.
I guess I'll be both - the NSX for fun, and a hybrid or EV for daily driving.
My petrol daily driver has been good for the past 14 years - it still has years of life in it. When it does start to fail, it will be replaced by a petrol hybrid or EV of some kind.
The NSX is 17 years old and virtually as new!
As you can tell I buy things for the long term and don't subscribe to the continual replacement / upgraditus model.
Next house will have a solar roof - perhaps that will push the EV decision forwards.
My petrol daily driver has been good for the past 14 years - it still has years of life in it. When it does start to fail, it will be replaced by a petrol hybrid or EV of some kind.
The NSX is 17 years old and virtually as new!
As you can tell I buy things for the long term and don't subscribe to the continual replacement / upgraditus model.
Next house will have a solar roof - perhaps that will push the EV decision forwards.
Like a lot of others, I'll probably have a mixture, an EV for general use and a petrol car for some fun.
I looked at a Tesla X-type, and although I really liked it, £165k for the spec I wanted was just too much money, especially as I suspect it won't do the trip back home that I do a few times a year in one hit.
My C63 wouldn't either, mind, but I knew that I could stop for five minutes en route to top it up. There's not yet that certainty with EVs, but we'll get there soon enough.
I looked at a Tesla X-type, and although I really liked it, £165k for the spec I wanted was just too much money, especially as I suspect it won't do the trip back home that I do a few times a year in one hit.
My C63 wouldn't either, mind, but I knew that I could stop for five minutes en route to top it up. There's not yet that certainty with EVs, but we'll get there soon enough.
At some point I expect I will have one, but not for a few years ..not sure how these vehicles will last over time, how fast the development curve will be that will obsolete earlier vehicles, what kind of charging facilities will exist. and so on. Early days. Still,if you think of the development of the automobile from 1900 to say 1930..a very short time... (think 1987 to now).... and how amazing the change was, I would think the next ten years will be mind-blowing.
I drive a V8, love it.
What a shame these engines along with the V6's will be assigned to the history books.
I'm so glad I've owned V6's, V8's, V12's, etc etc.
As long as I can buy a V8 engined car in what ever make and model, then I will.
Electric cars are so boring and unexciting in lots of ways. At least the hybrids have something going for them.
What a shame these engines along with the V6's will be assigned to the history books.
I'm so glad I've owned V6's, V8's, V12's, etc etc.
As long as I can buy a V8 engined car in what ever make and model, then I will.
Electric cars are so boring and unexciting in lots of ways. At least the hybrids have something going for them.
Dave3166 said:
I drive a V8, love it.
What a shame these engines along with the V6's will be assigned to the history books.
I'm so glad I've owned V6's, V8's, V12's, etc etc.
As long as I can buy a V8 engined car in what ever make and model, then I will.
Electric cars are so boring and unexciting in lots of ways. At least the hybrids have something going for them.
I also am aware they will go away. When the V10 M6 appeared from BMW years ago I bought one immediately as I felt that it might be my one and only V10. I have had many V8s and still have a couple of them. What a shame these engines along with the V6's will be assigned to the history books.
I'm so glad I've owned V6's, V8's, V12's, etc etc.
As long as I can buy a V8 engined car in what ever make and model, then I will.
Electric cars are so boring and unexciting in lots of ways. At least the hybrids have something going for them.
Like me, the V8 is past its peak sadly, and the days of the big lazy non-turbo American V8 and the bonkers German ones are all in decline now. I am sad to see them go even if on a raw performance basis the replacements will have equal or better performance. The deep thrum of a big V8 is a joy....
I would hope a mixture. I'd like a daily EV and something loud and fun to drive for entertainment.
Interesting reading peoples opinions about the technology. I'm working for an OEM on an EV project at the moment, and have, as such had more of an interest in the technology than I did. I think the general population have no idea how many electric cars you can buy (it came as a surprise to a friends Mum when I told her you can already buy an EV car.....), and I would say most of PH are fairly naive about the technology being put in place. There's already a roll out plan for 450kWh charging stations in the UK which would mean an 80% charge on something like a Tesla in 5-10mins (Current Superchargers are 250kWh), and I'd say within 10 years, battery capacity will be around the 200kWh point (which would probably mean a solid 300-500 mile range depending on driving style). Once we get to the point where you can charge at 500+kWh with a 500 mile range, range anxiety, the need to plan ahead etc just disappears. It's not that big a step to get to that point from where we are now.
The only spanner in the works at the moment is that the super fast charging technology won't be able to charge an existing EV any faster! It's possible, I suspect, that Tesla could squeeze a bit more out of their current packs, but it's unlikely anything they make currently will be 450kWh capable. For this reason, I'll wait until we're at a point that you can pull up at a services, plug in to one of twenty or so 450kWh chargers for 5-10 mins for 200miles of range, then continue my journey....and I'd say we're at least 5 years away from that point currently.
Interesting reading peoples opinions about the technology. I'm working for an OEM on an EV project at the moment, and have, as such had more of an interest in the technology than I did. I think the general population have no idea how many electric cars you can buy (it came as a surprise to a friends Mum when I told her you can already buy an EV car.....), and I would say most of PH are fairly naive about the technology being put in place. There's already a roll out plan for 450kWh charging stations in the UK which would mean an 80% charge on something like a Tesla in 5-10mins (Current Superchargers are 250kWh), and I'd say within 10 years, battery capacity will be around the 200kWh point (which would probably mean a solid 300-500 mile range depending on driving style). Once we get to the point where you can charge at 500+kWh with a 500 mile range, range anxiety, the need to plan ahead etc just disappears. It's not that big a step to get to that point from where we are now.
The only spanner in the works at the moment is that the super fast charging technology won't be able to charge an existing EV any faster! It's possible, I suspect, that Tesla could squeeze a bit more out of their current packs, but it's unlikely anything they make currently will be 450kWh capable. For this reason, I'll wait until we're at a point that you can pull up at a services, plug in to one of twenty or so 450kWh chargers for 5-10 mins for 200miles of range, then continue my journey....and I'd say we're at least 5 years away from that point currently.
With an all electric car future, the one thing that is not being seriously considered, is where the electricity to power all these cars is to come from.
More power stations will have to be built, the national electrical infrastructure significantly upgraded and renewable energy sources increased.
This however, can only be temporary, as the best option for the future will be electric vehicles powered by hydrogen fuel cells.
This will require the development of an economical method of Hydrogen production ( electrolosis from renewables ?) and a national distribution network for the gas.
This must be the way to go as Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements on the planet and pollution free when burnt. ( by product water )
More power stations will have to be built, the national electrical infrastructure significantly upgraded and renewable energy sources increased.
This however, can only be temporary, as the best option for the future will be electric vehicles powered by hydrogen fuel cells.
This will require the development of an economical method of Hydrogen production ( electrolosis from renewables ?) and a national distribution network for the gas.
This must be the way to go as Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements on the planet and pollution free when burnt. ( by product water )
s4avant said:
With an all electric car future, the one thing that is not being seriously considered, is where the electricity to power all these cars is to come from.
More power stations will have to be built, the national electrical infrastructure significantly upgraded and renewable energy sources increased.
This however, can only be temporary, as the best option for the future will be electric vehicles powered by hydrogen fuel cells.
This will require the development of an economical method of Hydrogen production ( electrolosis from renewables ?) and a national distribution network for the gas.
This must be the way to go as Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements on the planet and pollution free when burnt. ( by product water )
The thing is, the ‘well to wheel’ efficiency of a Hydrogen Fuel cell car is really pretty poor. You only get around 30% of the energy you put in out the other end as motive power vs 80% for a full BEV.More power stations will have to be built, the national electrical infrastructure significantly upgraded and renewable energy sources increased.
This however, can only be temporary, as the best option for the future will be electric vehicles powered by hydrogen fuel cells.
This will require the development of an economical method of Hydrogen production ( electrolosis from renewables ?) and a national distribution network for the gas.
This must be the way to go as Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements on the planet and pollution free when burnt. ( by product water )
http://energypost.eu/hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-compe...
EVs - in 10 years I expect to have a s/h Leaf with a buggered battery pack for local duties.
I don't believe proper autonomy is happening before I am a pensioner (20 years...). We'll have loads of toys, but real "pissed on the back seat" autonomy is a long way off.
IMO the whole "car sharing" thing is dreamt up by people who've been watching too much science fiction and have too much VC money. It may or may not be more efficient and rational, but if rationality was important, everyone would be driving around in Dacias.
I don't believe proper autonomy is happening before I am a pensioner (20 years...). We'll have loads of toys, but real "pissed on the back seat" autonomy is a long way off.
IMO the whole "car sharing" thing is dreamt up by people who've been watching too much science fiction and have too much VC money. It may or may not be more efficient and rational, but if rationality was important, everyone would be driving around in Dacias.
rxe said:
EVs - in 10 years I expect to have a s/h Leaf with a buggered battery pack for local duties.
I don't believe proper autonomy is happening before I am a pensioner (20 years...). We'll have loads of toys, but real "pissed on the back seat" autonomy is a long way off.
IMO the whole "car sharing" thing is dreamt up by people who've been watching too much science fiction and have too much VC money. It may or may not be more efficient and rational, but if rationality was important, everyone would be driving around in Dacias.
Agree with this fully. I suspect in most of our lifetimes, the car mix 20-30 years from now will be plenty of BEVs with a mix of high performance hybrids (things like 911s I'd hope will continue to have an EV assisted IC engine). I don't believe proper autonomy is happening before I am a pensioner (20 years...). We'll have loads of toys, but real "pissed on the back seat" autonomy is a long way off.
IMO the whole "car sharing" thing is dreamt up by people who've been watching too much science fiction and have too much VC money. It may or may not be more efficient and rational, but if rationality was important, everyone would be driving around in Dacias.
I suspect the 'average' bland hatchback will be circa 200hp single axle drive with some sort of autonomous (but supervised) motorway ability, 'sports saloons' will be similar to the current Tesla's (Porsches Mission E will undoubtedly be the first big one from a mainstream manufacturer) and supercars will be similar to the 918 (400-500ish bhp from an IC engine with about the same from an EV powertrain assist).
I would also be surprised if there was any legislation to make 'classics' BEV. It will be perfectly possible and acceptable to drive around in an E46 M3 running on dinosaur juice (providing the boot floor hasn't finally fall out) and I'd hope the likes of Caterham, Radical et al still exist with similar products to their current range.
Ultimately, the 'average' person who just wants something to get from A-B will probably welcome the appearance of a full BEV in their life. It'll be cheap to run, barely need any servicing and will be quiet, refined and easy to drive. The gets the overall feet average CO2 in the UK way down, whilst the rest of us who care, can still drive and enjoy an IC car....
I hope.
Interesting article on the BBC today echoing my thoughts. I think the death of the internal combustion engine is a way off for the moment:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41268513
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41268513
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