Ford 1.0 Ecoboost Group Legal Action - £millions
Discussion
Ecoboost victim said:
There hasnt been any rude comments so far just opinions.
I'm one of many who have lost approx £2000 due to early trade in, plus £100's for alternative transport while it took mths for the engine to be replaced.
Despite pushing my family to breaking point without the car and stress from uncertainty of when it would be fixed.
This loss of money means my children will need to suffer due to my wife needing to go back to work earlier.
This is not a pathetic money grab for me or 100's more like me. It is to redress the damage Ford have done to families across the UK.
Cry me a river. (Just an opinion, so you understand).I'm one of many who have lost approx £2000 due to early trade in, plus £100's for alternative transport while it took mths for the engine to be replaced.
Despite pushing my family to breaking point without the car and stress from uncertainty of when it would be fixed.
This loss of money means my children will need to suffer due to my wife needing to go back to work earlier.
This is not a pathetic money grab for me or 100's more like me. It is to redress the damage Ford have done to families across the UK.
Try not being able to drive for 3 years, due to a sudden unexpected medical condition. I did not claim 'victim' status. I got on with life, walking or public transport to work.
Sheepshanks said:
To be fair I've never understood how car manufacturers get away with stuff like this. Landing customers with multi £K bills on cars 3-6 yrs old is just completely unacceptable.
Cars break. s
t happens.The coolant hose issue was resolved in good time, all effected cars were under warranty at the time.
Ford have shown very good will when it comes to major issues eg fixing the early ecoboosts, the Focus RS head gasket etc..
90,000+ of these engine in the UK was it?
900 people signed up to whatever this law suit is (how many of those have actually had issues I wonder? let's be generous and say 75%)
out of the remaining 675 people who have had "major failures" how many people have not checked for any outstanding recalls on their car? so driving around in a car that hasn't been fixed maybe 10% that wouldn't have broken if they took it in for the free work (let's round down to 67 people)
Out of the remaining 608 people how many actually check their cars vital fluids weekly? as you are supposed to. I reckon about 10%. Let's round this up again to be generous and say 61 people check their fluids regularly.
And then out of those 61 people let's say 15% (9 people) continued to drive the car "to the nearest service station" when an overheating warning appeared)
So you have 55 people who's cars have genuinely broken . Not really that bad is it
xjay1337 said:
Cars break. st happens.
Sure - the question is at whose risk should that be. I think for 5-6yrs, 50-60K miles, it should be at the manufacturers risk. Possibly longer if there is evidence of numbers of failures. Honda used to be very good at this, although they're less helpful now.t happens.OK, there's the possibility of cars being mistreated so there needs to be an element of judging each case on its merits, but the default position should be that the manufacturer sorts it.
xjay1337 said:
Sheepshanks said:
To be fair I've never understood how car manufacturers get away with stuff like this. Landing customers with multi £K bills on cars 3-6 yrs old is just completely unacceptable.
Cars break. st happens.The coolant hose issue was resolved in good time, all effected cars were under warranty at the time.
Ford have shown very good will when it comes to major issues eg fixing the early ecoboosts, the Focus RS head gasket etc..
90,000+ of these engine in the UK was it?
900 people signed up to whatever this law suit is (how many of those have actually had issues I wonder? let's be generous and say 75%)
out of the remaining 675 people who have had "major failures" how many people have not checked for any outstanding recalls on their car? so driving around in a car that hasn't been fixed maybe 10% that wouldn't have broken if they took it in for the free work (let's round down to 67 people)
Out of the remaining 608 people how many actually check their cars vital fluids weekly? as you are supposed to. I reckon about 10%. Let's round this up again to be generous and say 61 people check their fluids regularly.
And then out of those 61 people let's say 15% (9 people) continued to drive the car "to the nearest service station" when an overheating warning appeared)
So you have 55 people who's cars have genuinely broken . Not really that bad is it
Ford car dealers have been selling cars with outstanding recall degas hose work. It wasn't classed as a safety recall. Ford have not made more than a cursory effort to contact owners. Also the replacement hoses have not prevented engines failing.
So... the degas hose issue was not sorted and is still not sorted. Plus it is not the root cause and just window dressing to make it look like Ford and DVSA, formally VOSA, are doing something.
Very interesting that you know how many have already signed up to the legal action. How do you know that?
Interesting set of assumptions to calculate a number to support your position on this. Don't forget this is not a minor failure... and if it is such a low number why didn't Ford just replace them all free of charge with no fuss?
Don't forget about the fleet customers... the big boys... police, NHS, government mobility, hire car companies etc etc
I wonder how this mess pans out with them? Do they get preferential treatment or have they already started their legal action behind the scenes?
So... the degas hose issue was not sorted and is still not sorted. Plus it is not the root cause and just window dressing to make it look like Ford and DVSA, formally VOSA, are doing something.
Very interesting that you know how many have already signed up to the legal action. How do you know that?
Interesting set of assumptions to calculate a number to support your position on this. Don't forget this is not a minor failure... and if it is such a low number why didn't Ford just replace them all free of charge with no fuss?
Don't forget about the fleet customers... the big boys... police, NHS, government mobility, hire car companies etc etc
I wonder how this mess pans out with them? Do they get preferential treatment or have they already started their legal action behind the scenes?
Just as (another) slight warning on these engines, a relative has a C Max with one in and the oil light came on.
It seems that the timing belt that runs in oils can shed fibres that can block up the oil strainer, it had gone a little over the interval but not loads, 60 odd thousand on it. Once the oil was changed it appears to be ok again.
So if you have one of these it pays to not skip any services, even more than any other model to avoid the build up of gunk to block the oil pick up.
I hadn't heard of it before but it does seem to be a potential issue.
Did ours over the summer, think its done about 200 miles since then so should be ok.
It seems that the timing belt that runs in oils can shed fibres that can block up the oil strainer, it had gone a little over the interval but not loads, 60 odd thousand on it. Once the oil was changed it appears to be ok again.
So if you have one of these it pays to not skip any services, even more than any other model to avoid the build up of gunk to block the oil pick up.
I hadn't heard of it before but it does seem to be a potential issue.
Did ours over the summer, think its done about 200 miles since then so should be ok.
J4CKO said:
Just as (another) slight warning on these engines, a relative has a C Max with one in and the oil light came on.
It seems that the timing belt that runs in oils can shed fibres that can block up the oil strainer, it had gone a little over the interval but not loads, 60 odd thousand on it. Once the oil was changed it appears to be ok again.
So if you have one of these it pays to not skip any services, even more than any other model to avoid the build up of gunk to block the oil pick up.
I hadn't heard of it before but it does seem to be a potential issue.
Did ours over the summer, think its done about 200 miles since then so should be ok.
Never heard of a timing belt that runs in oil. Chain, sure. Sounds odd.It seems that the timing belt that runs in oils can shed fibres that can block up the oil strainer, it had gone a little over the interval but not loads, 60 odd thousand on it. Once the oil was changed it appears to be ok again.
So if you have one of these it pays to not skip any services, even more than any other model to avoid the build up of gunk to block the oil pick up.
I hadn't heard of it before but it does seem to be a potential issue.
Did ours over the summer, think its done about 200 miles since then so should be ok.
J4CKO said:
Just as (another) slight warning on these engines, a relative has a C Max with one in and the oil light came on.
It seems that the timing belt that runs in oils can shed fibres that can block up the oil strainer, it had gone a little over the interval but not loads, 60 odd thousand on it. Once the oil was changed it appears to be ok again.
The PSA PureTech engine with the timing belt inside ( which is used in shed loads of Peugeot / Citroen / Vauxhall models ) is known to give the same problem.It seems that the timing belt that runs in oils can shed fibres that can block up the oil strainer, it had gone a little over the interval but not loads, 60 odd thousand on it. Once the oil was changed it appears to be ok again.
Who would have guessed it - a timing belt saturated in oil giving problems !
Sheepshanks said:
eldar said:
Never heard of a timing belt that runs in oil. Chain, sure. Sounds odd.
VAG engines for the last few years have an additional belt that runs in oil to drive the oil pump. 
Doesn't seem the smartest engineering at first glance, but I'm no expert on oil pump drives...
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