Learners on the motorway.
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Having had a very near miss on the M25 today, I discovered learners are now allowed on motorways. Being a bit shocked by a passenger grappling with the steering wheel of a s
tty old Fiesta with L plates to avoid colliding with my van at 70mph, I Googled it. If you didn't know, they are now allowed but only in a dual controlled vehicle with a qualified instructor. I guess we might see a few more cases like mine, where people don't know the new law.
This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the fk over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!
tty old Fiesta with L plates to avoid colliding with my van at 70mph, I Googled it. If you didn't know, they are now allowed but only in a dual controlled vehicle with a qualified instructor. I guess we might see a few more cases like mine, where people don't know the new law.This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the f
k over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!wazztie16 said:
bernhund said:
This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the fk over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!
Here we go... k over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!Cliftonite said:
wazztie16 said:
bernhund said:
This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the fk over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!
Here we go... k over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!bernhund said:
Having had a very near miss on the M25 today, I discovered learners are now allowed on motorways. Being a bit shocked by a passenger grappling with the steering wheel of a stty old Fiesta with L plates to avoid colliding with my van at 70mph, I Googled it. If you didn't know, they are now allowed but only in a dual controlled vehicle with a qualified instructor. I guess we might see a few more cases like mine, where people don't know the new law.
This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the fk over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!
Gun, foot, ouch!tty old Fiesta with L plates to avoid colliding with my van at 70mph, I Googled it. If you didn't know, they are now allowed but only in a dual controlled vehicle with a qualified instructor. I guess we might see a few more cases like mine, where people don't know the new law.This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the f
k over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!(And yes, we do know learners are allowed on MWays. Do keep up.)
I saw my first learner driving pulling on to the M25 this afternoon, a marked up learner school car.
The road was reasonably quiet, I was in the left hand lane, cruise control on 60mph.
The learner entered the motorway fine then for no reason moved into lane 2 even though the left lane was clear in front of them and just continued in lane 2.
So are instructors teaching learners to be more MLM?
The road was reasonably quiet, I was in the left hand lane, cruise control on 60mph.
The learner entered the motorway fine then for no reason moved into lane 2 even though the left lane was clear in front of them and just continued in lane 2.
So are instructors teaching learners to be more MLM?
bernhund said:
This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the fk over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!
I wonder if the brain dead idiot joining the main carriageway was aware it's actually him that needs to giveway to those already on the carriageway. k over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!You know them f
king MASSIVE give way markings on the road. Perhaps the OP should of been the car with L plates on.
DaveH23 said:
I wonder if the brain dead idiot joining the main carriageway was aware it's actually him that needs to giveway to those already on the carriageway.
You know them fking MASSIVE give way markings on the road.
Perhaps the OP should of been the car with L plates on.
You know them f
king MASSIVE give way markings on the road. Perhaps the OP should of been the car with L plates on.
Guess the OP has gone away, tail between legs.OnurKara1907 said:
Hello, I have bought a new registration plate, and have done all the stuff that needs to be done, but i have not received my new logbook for my new registration plate, and i get to get Road Tax tomorrow, how can i get my road tax without anything, i got a V11 reminder for my old plate and i enter it, it says no information available, and i don't have any other information because i don't have the new logbook.. can anyone help ?
Why did you.post this on this thread as it's hardly on topic?To answer your question, you should be able to tax it at your local post office by filling in a V62 form.
Cliftonite said:
wazztie16 said:
bernhund said:
This learner and instructor (probably dad) clearly didn't know that traffic merging from the slip meant they should either brake, accelerate or get the fk over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!
Here we go... k over into the middle lane because there was nothing in it!Nope, I haven't gone away and tail is still in its usual place.
Learners are indeed allowed on motorways now, but only with an approved instructor in a dual controlled car. You may have failed to spot that I said it was a 'stty' old Fiesta with a guy leaning across trying to steer from the passenger seat. Probably the driver's dad. So illegal.
Then of course when did anyone on here actually stick to the Highway Code? All well and good googling it for the same of an argument on here, but it's doubtful any of you know even a third of it.
Had the guy been in a school car, it's highly probable the instructor would have asked the driver to observe merging traffic from the slip and to use the middle lane if it is clear.
I really don't see a problem with my original post. It just demonstrated the dangers of learners on a motorway without trained instructors.
Learners are indeed allowed on motorways now, but only with an approved instructor in a dual controlled car. You may have failed to spot that I said it was a 's
tty' old Fiesta with a guy leaning across trying to steer from the passenger seat. Probably the driver's dad. So illegal.Then of course when did anyone on here actually stick to the Highway Code? All well and good googling it for the same of an argument on here, but it's doubtful any of you know even a third of it.
Had the guy been in a school car, it's highly probable the instructor would have asked the driver to observe merging traffic from the slip and to use the middle lane if it is clear.
I really don't see a problem with my original post. It just demonstrated the dangers of learners on a motorway without trained instructors.
bernhund said:
Nope, I haven't gone away and tail is still in its usual place.
Learners are indeed allowed on motorways now, but only with an approved instructor in a dual controlled car. You may have failed to spot that I said it was a 'stty' old Fiesta with a guy leaning across trying to steer from the passenger seat. Probably the driver's dad. So illegal.
Then of course when did anyone on here actually stick to the Highway Code? All well and good googling it for the same of an argument on here, but it's doubtful any of you know even a third of it.
Had the guy been in a school car, it's highly probable the instructor would have asked the driver to observe merging traffic from the slip and to use the middle lane if it is clear.
I really don't see a problem with my original post. It just demonstrated the dangers of learners on a motorway without trained instructors.
You do know a dual controlled car only ever has one steering wheel right? So all the instructor could have done was brake or hit the clutch, neither would have been advisable. Did you have proof it wasn't a qualified instructor? My old driving instructor had a MK4 Golf with dual pedals and L plates, he didn't have a driving school plastered over it as it was his daily as well as high instructor car and he also had more business than he could deal with so no need to advertise!Learners are indeed allowed on motorways now, but only with an approved instructor in a dual controlled car. You may have failed to spot that I said it was a 's
tty' old Fiesta with a guy leaning across trying to steer from the passenger seat. Probably the driver's dad. So illegal.Then of course when did anyone on here actually stick to the Highway Code? All well and good googling it for the same of an argument on here, but it's doubtful any of you know even a third of it.
Had the guy been in a school car, it's highly probable the instructor would have asked the driver to observe merging traffic from the slip and to use the middle lane if it is clear.
I really don't see a problem with my original post. It just demonstrated the dangers of learners on a motorway without trained instructors.
OP it is your responsibility to merge safely, PERIOD! You just come across as a stereotypical angry van man, plus you know giving learners a little leeway to actually learn!
Torquey said:
Are you saying that the learner should have give way to you?
No, simply that neither the driver or instructor were aware of merging traffic and got into a fight over the steering wheel in the middle of it. Probably one of the reasons the law states dual controlled approved instructor.It really was just one of those simple situations when there was plenty of time and space for the car to move over leaving merging traffic unaffected. We've all been there ranting coz you've literally ground to a halt because the daydreamer wasn't looking or thinking. But of course you're not on here to see that are you? You are law abiding PH'ers who can quote the highway code and have never had a cross word in your many experienced years of motoring.
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