Punitive VED for ICE Vehicles proposed in the UK

Punitive VED for ICE Vehicles proposed in the UK

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cardigankid

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Wednesday 18th March
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untakenname

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152 months

Wednesday 18th March
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The gains will be negligible in the grand scheme of things as future cars are going to hybrid/full electric the VED income for goverment will get less and less, historically VED wasn't that big a deal as the more someone drove the more tax they paid in the form of fuel so inefficient cars were unofficially welcomed as they brought in the cash to fill the coffers, now electric cars are bringing in next to nothing taxwise something drastic will have to be done (per mile pricing or daily pricing?).

The average VED someone pays today is a fraction of what they did 10 years ago (compare VED for a like for like 4x4 model then and now), already people are gaming the system with plug in hybrids that are never plugged, bought simply as the VED was cheaper.

cardigankid

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Wednesday 18th March
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I agree, but from the other perspective £2,135 a year on a number of prestige cars is not sustainable.

Are they basically going to try to tax us off the road?

It also might be mentioned that if we had all been dependent on public transport, the way the eco-nazis and socialists want, in the current crisis we would be completed stuffed.

V8fan

3,567 posts

228 months

Wednesday 18th March
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I expect it would be for new registrations only, if it happens. Vehicle VED changes are rarely retrospective.

When the price hike in bands L and M began for example, it was announced in March 2006 but only for cars registered from the next day onwards. Bands L and M registered between 2001 and 2006 pay the same as band L.

The annual £145 VED for all cars registered after April 2017 does not seem to encourage low emission vehicles the way it is. This could be greatly raised of course or a change made to to elevate what each band pays. All cars have a band they are stuck with, unless you buy a grey imported car with no emission data and pay the LGV rate of VED.......

It all seems to be a way to drive us towards EV. The extra £320 p.a. for vehicles over £40k list is being removed for electric cars. and it's £0 per year VED, at the moment. That will undoubtedly change when EV are the majority. rolleyes

Dave Hedgehog

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164 months

Wednesday 18th March
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excellent, lets hope its backdated 10 years

given the governments recent spending spree the amounts discussed seam very cheap

cardigankid

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Not cheap if you are paying them.

NDNDNDND

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143 months

Wednesday 18th March
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Dave Hedgehog said:
excellent, lets hope its backdated 10 years

Why would you want that to happen?

It won't have any beneficial effect on the environment, and if anything would result in more cars being scrapped, which would be worse.


Miserablegit

1,698 posts

69 months

Tuesday 14th July
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Bring in peage for motorways so the electric cars can pay for the infrastructure they use.
Remove all “road tax” as there is sufficient tax on fuel (except electric cars) already. If you use a lot of fuel you will have paid a lot of tax.

I’m fed up with being screwed around by halfwit MPs.




NMNeil

917 posts

10 months

Wednesday 15th July
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Has anyone asked how much of that extra money will be spent on road repeairs?

blackrabbit

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Wednesday 15th July
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cardigankid said:
I agree, but from the other perspective £2,135 a year on a number of prestige cars is not sustainable.

Are they basically going to try to tax us off the road?

It also might be mentioned that if we had all been dependent on public transport, the way the eco-nazis and socialists want, in the current crisis we would be completed stuffed.
Years ago I worked as a consultant for TFL. People at the top hated motorists with a passion, to the hard left advisors brought in (on thousands a day) the congestion charge was all about forcing people onto public transport to equalize everyone. They didn't care one bit about polution or raising money and success criteria changed by the month, they were just smokescreens to pass their socialist agenda. There is no doubt in my mind the war on ICE vehicles is the same hidden behind a false promise of cleaner air. The truth is they want everyone to be forced to use public transport as part of their class warfare agenda.

My sense is with Covid less and less people will want to use public transport...........it will be interested to see how the socialists will try and stop people going back to using cars more often.

937carrera

31 posts

211 months

Thursday 23rd July
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Appointment of Grant Shapps as Secretary of state for Transport is one way.

He then announces a consultation of the banning of the sale of ICE cars by 2035, or earlier if possible. At least that's what it used to say. The current proposals now also include the banning of the sale of hybrids by that date as well.

So that means battery EV's only, or does it

Except this is only one piece of the policy jigsaw. There's a big push for "active travel" (new buzzword for walking and cycling), and then lots of other pieces of policy which include places like the West Midlands suggesting that people no longer own cars but have access to electric car clubs on an ad hoc basis or that a scrapage scheme is launched so that cars can be traded in for a travel pass.

This of course ignores the issues of generating capacity to provide power for an EV fleet, especially when combined with the move to electric only heating in homes.

The Parliamentary Science and Technology Select Committee has even gone as far as to say that: "private vehicle ownership and use is incompatible with significant decarbonisation". So having banned diesel, petrol and hydrids, the next step will be the banning of private cars and motorbikes, whatever the source of motive power.

West Midlands go on to say that, except for those ad hoc journeys using car club EV's all other journeys are completed by walking, cycling, scooters, and the use of buses, Metro and trains.

It seems that the people who used to run TfL are now running UK transport policy.

The consultation ends on 31st July


irocfan

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150 months

Wednesday 12th August
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blackrabbit said:
Years ago I worked as a consultant for TFL. People at the top hated motorists with a passion, to the hard left advisors brought in (on thousands a day) the congestion charge was all about forcing people onto public transport to equalize everyone. They didn't care one bit about polution or raising money and success criteria changed by the month, they were just smokescreens to pass their socialist agenda. There is no doubt in my mind the war on ICE vehicles is the same hidden behind a false promise of cleaner air. The truth is they want everyone to be forced to use public transport as part of their class warfare agenda.

My sense is with Covid less and less people will want to use public transport...........it will be interested to see how the socialists will try and stop people going back to using cars more often.
your post surprises me not in the least.

A500leroy

2,046 posts

78 months

Wednesday 12th August
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937carrera said:
lots of other pieces of policy which include places like the West Midlands suggesting that people no longer own cars but have access to electric car clubs on an ad hoc basis or that a scrapage scheme is launched so that cars can be traded in for a travel pass.


West Midlands go on to say that, except for those ad hoc journeys using car club EV's all other journeys are completed by walking, cycling, scooters, and the use of buses, Metro and trains.
Apart from the larger cities such as Birmingham i can honestly say nearly everyone owns or has access to at least vehicle and they will have to go some to force us out. If they put the ved up to £xxxx people would just drive about untaxed and uninsured around here.

NMNeil

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10 months

Thursday 13th August
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A500leroy said:
Apart from the larger cities such as Birmingham i can honestly say nearly everyone owns or has access to at least vehicle and they will have to go some to force us out. If they put the ved up to £xxxx people would just drive about untaxed and uninsured around here.
But if they drive uninsured it may be an indirect way of getting more cars off the road permanently.

Peter3442

287 posts

28 months

Thursday 27th August
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For stupid little journeys, I'd be happy not to use a car: the Post Office, the GP, the local shop, but our wonderful governments in their strive for efficiency have chosen to close local sevices and centralise them. I made a mini-survey of people about their commute to and from work. Many would like to use public transport, if... and the list is long. Basically, public transport is infrequent, unreliable and disconnected.

I've still not seen pictures of any politicians walking in the rain, soaked to the skin, carrying 20kg of shopping.

I want to use my car for long journeys, for fun, for things where it's conveninent. Those who try to stop that are ... words better censored.

drmike37

238 posts

16 months

Thursday 27th August
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Higher VED actually encourages me to use my car - to feel like I’m getting use out of something I’ve already paid for. If I used the bus I’d effectively (in my mind) be paying twice for the journey.
Something like the sunk cost fallacy.

irocfan

24,973 posts

150 months

Thursday 27th August
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drmike37 said:
Higher VED actually encourages me to use my car - to feel like I’m getting use out of something I’ve already paid for. If I used the bus I’d effectively (in my mind) be paying twice for the journey.
Something like the sunk cost fallacy.
hehe

RizzoTheRat

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152 months

Thursday 27th August
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Peter3442 said:
For stupid little journeys, I'd be happy not to use a car:
Having moved to somewhere with decent public transport and excellent cycle routes, I now only use my car for longish journeys at weekends. My push bike is now my main mode of transport, or sometimes the tram if I want to want to go in to town for a few too many beers to cycle home.

It's pointless bashing the car without creating some viable alternative. The carrot is mightier than the stick IMO.

NMNeil

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10 months

Thursday 27th August
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From my memories of 20 odd years ago, driving was never the problem; finding somewhere to park, was.

The Wookie

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188 months

Friday 28th August
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blackrabbit said:
Years ago I worked as a consultant for TFL. People at the top hated motorists with a passion, to the hard left advisors brought in (on thousands a day) the congestion charge was all about forcing people onto public transport to equalize everyone. They didn't care one bit about polution or raising money and success criteria changed by the month, they were just smokescreens to pass their socialist agenda.
This.

I’ve been to a couple of low carbon vehicle sorry mobilityrolleyes conferences in London, they’re usually headed up by some clueless lightweight lefty from the top of TFL talking about their utopia where no nasty smelly cars are clogging the streets, it’s as quiet as the countryside but cleaner and the children can run around free without the fear of being run over by a big nasty truck

It all sounds lovely but unfortunately without teleportation it’s a bit difficult for all of the residents to enjoy their chai lattes in the morning with the trucks stuck outside the M25.

Presumably once they’ve dealt with the capitalist financial services industry it would end up like a monoculture of hipster IT consultants and public sector workers as everyone else for whom public transport isn’t practical gets booted out.

Edited by The Wookie on Friday 28th August 08:43