Euro 7 - oh dear
Discussion
HammyHamster said:
You can also bet that ULEZ in London and other cities will be Euro7 only from 2025.
sixor8 said:
No chance, a ludicrous suggestion. Since no new vehicles are yet Euro 7, you'd effectively be penalizing anyone for not having a new Euro 7 compliant vehicle.
ULEZ will adopt Euro7 but only after a leniency period. My guess is 3 years after Euro7 becomes a legal requirement, so that's Jan 1st, 2028. Afterward all non-compliment vehicles will pay a daily penalty, which will escalate.Next move is to exempt only EVs (or hybrids under battery power) from ULEZ charge. Expect that move around 2033 or possibly before, given that 2030 ban was announced some time ago.
UK motoring world is changing fast...
Motoring wise, it is going to be like Cuba, where they ran and ran and ran and still run as far as I'm aware 1950's American metal.
Here, those that are not on the leasing merry-go-round will likely keep their existing steeds for as long as possible. Probably because most makers will not be arsed to build cars that tick all the Euro7 boxes, so there will be nothing to buy anyway.
It doesn't matter though, even if you manage to hold onto and keep an old car running, the communists in charge of transport will quickly tax them off the road into oblivion. Only exotica will survive, and they will have go on trailers and be towed by electric cars with no brakes and rock hard tyres that don't grip or produce any "particles"
The irony between the communists in cuba verses the communists in charge of transport here (and the EU) is not lost.
Here, those that are not on the leasing merry-go-round will likely keep their existing steeds for as long as possible. Probably because most makers will not be arsed to build cars that tick all the Euro7 boxes, so there will be nothing to buy anyway.
It doesn't matter though, even if you manage to hold onto and keep an old car running, the communists in charge of transport will quickly tax them off the road into oblivion. Only exotica will survive, and they will have go on trailers and be towed by electric cars with no brakes and rock hard tyres that don't grip or produce any "particles"
The irony between the communists in cuba verses the communists in charge of transport here (and the EU) is not lost.
The EU's Euro 7 emissions standards aim to reduce emissions from vehicles, which is a positive step towards a cleaner environment. However, the implementation of these standards and the enforcement of penalties for breaches can be controversial. The lack of specifics about who would be responsible for paying for breaches raises questions about fairness and accountability.
It's possible that the EU chose not to ban internal combustion engines outright from 2025 because of the impact it would have on the economy, jobs, and the car industry. Instead, the Euro 7 standards aim to reduce emissions gradually while ensuring the transition is manageable.
It's possible that the EU chose not to ban internal combustion engines outright from 2025 because of the impact it would have on the economy, jobs, and the car industry. Instead, the Euro 7 standards aim to reduce emissions gradually while ensuring the transition is manageable.
We are the softest nation in the world i swear no one has a back bone in this country anymore, more fines more restrictions on our movement, for what so China, etc can put out in a day what we put out in a years, reading the comments here " Its good for the environment" what a crock of Sh**. I seriously believe we are heading towards a time whereby you'll not be able to leave the area you live in without it being costly so much so that we just give up. I wish i was 30 yrs younger I'd leave the uk in a heartbeat, corruption and dumb as citizens just going along with what the TV and Gov say, just pay up at every turn.
djt100 said:
We are the softest nation in the world i swear no one has a back bone in this country anymore, more fines more restrictions on our movement, for what so China, etc can put out in a day what we put out in a years, reading the comments here " Its good for the environment" what a crock of Sh**. I seriously believe we are heading towards a time whereby you'll not be able to leave the area you live in without it being costly so much so that we just give up. I wish i was 30 yrs younger I'd leave the uk in a heartbeat, corruption and dumb as citizens just going along with what the TV and Gov say, just pay up at every turn.
Well don't let us stop you. Unless you're another one of those dumb-as-s
t whingers who do nothing but piss and moan about how everything used to be better but will never get up off your fat arse and actually do anything about it.deckster said:
Well don't let us stop you. Unless you're another one of those dumb-as-st whingers who do nothing but piss and moan about how everything used to be better but will never get up off your fat arse and actually do anything about it.
Does having concerns and voicing them on an internet forum obligate that person to organise a military coup?t whingers who do nothing but piss and moan about how everything used to be better but will never get up off your fat arse and actually do anything about it.
colin_p said:
Motoring wise, it is going to be like Cuba, where they ran and ran and ran and still run as far as I'm aware 1950's American metal.
Here, those that are not on the leasing merry-go-round will likely keep their existing steeds for as long as possible. Probably because most makers will not be arsed to build cars that tick all the Euro7 boxes, so there will be nothing to buy anyway.
It doesn't matter though, even if you manage to hold onto and keep an old car running, the communists in charge of transport will quickly tax them off the road into oblivion. Only exotica will survive, and they will have go on trailers and be towed by electric cars with no brakes and rock hard tyres that don't grip or produce any "particles"
The irony between the communists in cuba verses the communists in charge of transport here (and the EU) is not lost.
The biggest irony is keeping your current car Vs buying a compliant new one. The latter being the best for the planet I'd say albeit not best for the manufacturer's!Here, those that are not on the leasing merry-go-round will likely keep their existing steeds for as long as possible. Probably because most makers will not be arsed to build cars that tick all the Euro7 boxes, so there will be nothing to buy anyway.
It doesn't matter though, even if you manage to hold onto and keep an old car running, the communists in charge of transport will quickly tax them off the road into oblivion. Only exotica will survive, and they will have go on trailers and be towed by electric cars with no brakes and rock hard tyres that don't grip or produce any "particles"
The irony between the communists in cuba verses the communists in charge of transport here (and the EU) is not lost.
TX.
After cats in the manifolds, cats in the down pipes and GP Filters, Euro 7 will see the introduction of the EGT.
That stands for exhaust gas trap. The purpose is to stop all exhaust gasses leaving the engine. Emissions problems will be solved, because the engine will be choked and then stop.
At the same time, the bureaucrats will end their ban on IC cars, because that will no longer be necessary.
Transport will then be by a contraption known as HO. RSE.
Pica-Pica said:
From what I read, Euro7 will be blind to powertrain type. Importantly, it will add tyre particulate emission, and battery life into the mix. Perhaps it will help promote smaller and lightweight EVs?
As well as tyre particulates, Euro 7 also starts to cover brake pad particulates as well. So technically, could you have a Euro 7 car that would be non-compliant if you put non-Euro7 tyres/brake pads on as replacement?
Monitoring that on a daily/wide-spread scale would be illogical obviously, but come MOT time?
Vehicles will also be coming with ‘on-board monitoring’ of emissions levels to ‘flag problems early and stay clean’.
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