OT: "Country Gone to the Dogs" RANT!
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Evening Standard: "Mother to sue over sons' arrest"
The bloody place has gone mad....
It's practically guaranteed that these two little scrotes murdered that kid, yet they've gotten away with it... and they're suing the police !!!!
Liberal wooliness is bringing this country to its knees.
Modern liberalism (as was born out of the 60s I suppose) has brought with it ills such as popular sociology, psychology, equalitarianism has wreaked havoc on British (and American) society. It's at the core of all the absurd schemes we hear about. Perversity of the civil courts, mollycoddling of young offenders, blindness to the ills of crime committed by ethnic minorities, failure to deal adequately with illegal immigration, lunatic schemes in the name of safety and the environment.
What those liberal showcases, psychiatry and sociology, achieved in the late 20th century is to provide the weak and foolish with excuses for everything (except motoring
)... it provides a vehicle for shifting responsibility for ones actions to others, be they parents, educators, employers, society as a whole or even the police.
FWIW, by way of illustration, I am of the opinion that the MacPherson report was the death blow for any hope of proper law enforcement in London, with knock on effects in the rest of the country.
The over-riding concern of these liberals is for the 'disadvantaged' and 'providing a level playing field', these are admirable ends, but liberals approach the problem from false (or at least unprovable) premises. Such flawed thinking has resulted in the reduction of the education system to a daycare for the terminally mediocre and the justice system is prostated at the altar of political correctness, bent over backwards to have sympathy for the devil. Oh - and let's not forget that those we call liberals, don't even endorse the primacy of individual liberty, especially as a concept coupled to individual responsibilty.
We need some big political changes in this country but I honestly don't think many people have the stomach for it.
All IMO, FWIW, AFAIK etc..
quote:www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=565256&in_review_text_id=532486
The mother of the two brothers cleared of murdering Damilola Taylor plans to sue the police, it was revealed today.
The bloody place has gone mad....
It's practically guaranteed that these two little scrotes murdered that kid, yet they've gotten away with it... and they're suing the police !!!!
Liberal wooliness is bringing this country to its knees.
Modern liberalism (as was born out of the 60s I suppose) has brought with it ills such as popular sociology, psychology, equalitarianism has wreaked havoc on British (and American) society. It's at the core of all the absurd schemes we hear about. Perversity of the civil courts, mollycoddling of young offenders, blindness to the ills of crime committed by ethnic minorities, failure to deal adequately with illegal immigration, lunatic schemes in the name of safety and the environment.
What those liberal showcases, psychiatry and sociology, achieved in the late 20th century is to provide the weak and foolish with excuses for everything (except motoring
)... it provides a vehicle for shifting responsibility for ones actions to others, be they parents, educators, employers, society as a whole or even the police. FWIW, by way of illustration, I am of the opinion that the MacPherson report was the death blow for any hope of proper law enforcement in London, with knock on effects in the rest of the country.
The over-riding concern of these liberals is for the 'disadvantaged' and 'providing a level playing field', these are admirable ends, but liberals approach the problem from false (or at least unprovable) premises. Such flawed thinking has resulted in the reduction of the education system to a daycare for the terminally mediocre and the justice system is prostated at the altar of political correctness, bent over backwards to have sympathy for the devil. Oh - and let's not forget that those we call liberals, don't even endorse the primacy of individual liberty, especially as a concept coupled to individual responsibilty.
We need some big political changes in this country but I honestly don't think many people have the stomach for it.
All IMO, FWIW, AFAIK etc..
The Government published the timetable for the American style night courts it is planning to introduce in an attempt to speed up justice.
In theory, someone could be nicked at 7pm, sentenced at 10pm and breakfasting in the Scrubs next morning.
In practice it won’t work like that.
This will be more like it.
7pm — arrested.
8pm — legal aid solicitor arrives.
9pm — complaint against police lodged.
10pm — social services turn up.
11pm — prisoner phones Claims Direct to file compensation suit because the bed in his cell is too hard.
Midnight — taken to court.
1am — found guilty and sentenced.
7am — leaves Heathrow with social worker for two weeks windsurfing in Hawaii.
With acknowledgements to Richard Littlejohn.
In theory, someone could be nicked at 7pm, sentenced at 10pm and breakfasting in the Scrubs next morning.
In practice it won’t work like that.
This will be more like it.
7pm — arrested.
8pm — legal aid solicitor arrives.
9pm — complaint against police lodged.
10pm — social services turn up.
11pm — prisoner phones Claims Direct to file compensation suit because the bed in his cell is too hard.
Midnight — taken to court.
1am — found guilty and sentenced.
7am — leaves Heathrow with social worker for two weeks windsurfing in Hawaii.
With acknowledgements to Richard Littlejohn.
quote:
3 strikes and you're out. Harsh but effective.
However, they would only apply it to the most severe of all crimes, Speeding.
M@H, a tad too harsh, what about my idea of breaking both arms of the offender (mugger, thief, only lower level crime) and on the plaster cast stating the crime
so then they not only have to try and mug people with two broken arms (I reckon that would not be easy) but also anyone within 10ft of them can tell they are a crim
In todays climate it seems that anyone can sue anyone else for anything.
The police would have only arrested the boys if they believed that the weight of evidence aginst them was strong enough to warrant an arrest/trial. If these boys are subsequently found not guilty, fair enough justice has been done - but surely they shouldn't be allowed to then sue the police.
Maybe by allowing the boys (and other criminals) to sue may at some point in the future (in an extreme case I admit) cause police, etc be less inclined to follow up these major crimes and instead concentrate on "easy hits" (eg speeding, etc).
Oh we're already there!
The police would have only arrested the boys if they believed that the weight of evidence aginst them was strong enough to warrant an arrest/trial. If these boys are subsequently found not guilty, fair enough justice has been done - but surely they shouldn't be allowed to then sue the police.
Maybe by allowing the boys (and other criminals) to sue may at some point in the future (in an extreme case I admit) cause police, etc be less inclined to follow up these major crimes and instead concentrate on "easy hits" (eg speeding, etc).
Oh
we're already there! quote:That comment is beneath you M@H..
too right... the thieving rate's pretty low in those muslim countries where they cut your hand off for it...
quote:The police only charged them after they'd been given the go-ahead by the CPS after scrutiny of what case they had. Ordinarily, the police charge you first then refer it to the CPS for the prosecution. The didn't know in this instance if they had a strong enough case for the CPS to prosecute, so the police deferred to the CPS.
The police would have only arrested the boys if they believed that the weight of evidence aginst them was strong enough to warrant an arrest/trial. If these boys are subsequently found not guilty, fair enough justice has been done - but surely they shouldn't be allowed to then sue the police.
In the most technical sense, justice has ben done, but really we know damned well that it hasn't. The reasons it hasn't IMO include the relations between the police and these communities, and the strangle hold such youths have been allowed to take on the kids on their estates.
Relations between these communities and the police were, IMO, damaged immensely more by the MacPherson report - moreover by the Met's acceptance of it which I think was somewhat under political duress - than by any racism that may or may not exist in the police force. Racism, incidentally, of which black and asian people/policemen are also capable.
The way these kids have been able to control the estates is a reflection of the impunity with which the judiciary has bestowed them. They know it too!
Hose down such estates with napalm and start again? 
Saw that MacIntyre undercover last night - the napalm starts to look like a good option. Or send the little scrotes off to clear land mines for their sentence - IIRC clearing landmines is very expensive and they could therefore not only pay for their keep while incarcerated, but also pay for the damage they caused.
Saw that MacIntyre undercover last night - the napalm starts to look like a good option. Or send the little scrotes off to clear land mines for their sentence - IIRC clearing landmines is very expensive and they could therefore not only pay for their keep while incarcerated, but also pay for the damage they caused.
Hard Labour has to be the most elegant solution all round.
Roads cost a lot of money because the contractors are in deals with the government that make the hourly rate artificially high.
Every single car user in the UK realises that the roads are of comparitively bad quality leading to more expense for the motorist in replacement tyres wheels and suspension components.
In light of the inadequacy of the road maintenance network and the fact that we have more people behind bars than ever before (on average at about £30 per prisoner per day incidentally) where they can get contacts and learn new suspect trades why not put these little
ers to work on the roads? I dont care if they are 14, if you can stand up, you can hold a kango/pick axe/shovel its got to be a better deterrent than a University of Criminals. Added to which this would act as a detterent, I am sure that some people view 30 days imprisonment as a way to learn new skills and a way to brag to their mates.
Councils get free labour, the public are happier as the road network is better and it all cascades down from there.
Alternatively I would have them building the tube, and living down there as well.
Prison - Its Job Club for scum.
Matt.
Roads cost a lot of money because the contractors are in deals with the government that make the hourly rate artificially high.
Every single car user in the UK realises that the roads are of comparitively bad quality leading to more expense for the motorist in replacement tyres wheels and suspension components.
In light of the inadequacy of the road maintenance network and the fact that we have more people behind bars than ever before (on average at about £30 per prisoner per day incidentally) where they can get contacts and learn new suspect trades why not put these little
ers to work on the roads? I dont care if they are 14, if you can stand up, you can hold a kango/pick axe/shovel its got to be a better deterrent than a University of Criminals. Added to which this would act as a detterent, I am sure that some people view 30 days imprisonment as a way to learn new skills and a way to brag to their mates. Councils get free labour, the public are happier as the road network is better and it all cascades down from there.
Alternatively I would have them building the tube, and living down there as well.
Prison - Its Job Club for scum.
Matt.
The litigeous nature of society pisses me off. We're getting close to the US model.
Every time an operation fails it must be negligence - sue
Every time a defendant is found not guilty it must be wrongful arrest - sue
As a result all the money that should be used to treat the sick and fight crime goes into the pockets of lawyers. What kind of a country is that?
A: - One like Britain
Better joke:
Q: What do you call a thousand lawyers on the bottom of the sea?
A: A f**king good start.
Every time an operation fails it must be negligence - sue
Every time a defendant is found not guilty it must be wrongful arrest - sue
As a result all the money that should be used to treat the sick and fight crime goes into the pockets of lawyers. What kind of a country is that?
A: - One like Britain
Better joke:
Q: What do you call a thousand lawyers on the bottom of the sea?
A: A f**king good start.
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Gotta successfully prosecute the little sh!tes first Matt...
Oh and I'm erring towards eugenics too..
Yeah.. but that should be made more of a formality..
Judge/Prosecution: "are you a theiving little scrote?"
Defendant: No your honor, im here cos I was fitted up even though there are no other lines of enquiry, I was there at the time, and caught red handed..
Judge/Prosecution: Jolly good lad... Guilty, Take him DOWN. No rights of appeal granted.
I think most of the solutions suggested here are addressing the effects and not the cause. The old saying that fish go rotten from the head comes to mind. The huge lack of competance in leadership is to blame for all the nations problems. The wooley minded liberal thinking has been allowed into the mainstream to mask the shortcomings of poor leadership. As a nation we continually fail to learn from historic fact. We mask the truth, unlike the Americans who pursue it reletlessly. IMO we are not becoming like America at all in fact we are moving further away from that model than ever. American society moves forward where we are stuck, clinging to the past.
For example Americans have a constitution which applies to everyone, they hold freedom of speech, the right to silence and the right to bear arms as fundamental to their existance. Those three principles are under attack from Blair et al and our ability to defend them, indeed if we ever held them as rights is debateable.
The answer to this situation is not to promote facism, but to stand firm against the new religion of mediocraty. The one strong weapon we have is the ability to communicate more effectively than ever before. If we use it wisely then the power of the liberal elite will dwindle. If we ignore what is going on around us the human race will have ended around the time of the first shuttle flights (mans last great achievement) and a new dark age of fear and subjugation will have been entered. How long before a new offense of heresy emerges for those who challenge the new control tool of global warming? The Guardian newspaper so criticised here, is in fact the only mainstream press that will print thoughts that are not stereotypical so far from being the cause it may form part of the solution.
For example Americans have a constitution which applies to everyone, they hold freedom of speech, the right to silence and the right to bear arms as fundamental to their existance. Those three principles are under attack from Blair et al and our ability to defend them, indeed if we ever held them as rights is debateable.
The answer to this situation is not to promote facism, but to stand firm against the new religion of mediocraty. The one strong weapon we have is the ability to communicate more effectively than ever before. If we use it wisely then the power of the liberal elite will dwindle. If we ignore what is going on around us the human race will have ended around the time of the first shuttle flights (mans last great achievement) and a new dark age of fear and subjugation will have been entered. How long before a new offense of heresy emerges for those who challenge the new control tool of global warming? The Guardian newspaper so criticised here, is in fact the only mainstream press that will print thoughts that are not stereotypical so far from being the cause it may form part of the solution.
In the US there was a groundswell of support AGAINST the "wooly minded liberals" that is why we don't have Al "I feel your pain" Gore as president right now. It strikes me that the UK is about ripe for the same type of effort, judging from the comments by nonegreen (who sounds like a person with his head firmly in the right frame of mind, IMHO)
Also, a quick solution to the lawyer problems:
NEW RULE:
If you are an attorney in a damages (monetary) case and LOSE, then YOUR CLIENT has to pay the defendent the EXACT AMOUNT OF MONEY that you were attempting to extract from them as reciprocal damages. Like a game show - winner take all! (That would at least stop the frivolous ones)(again - IMHO)
ErnestM
Also, a quick solution to the lawyer problems:
NEW RULE:
If you are an attorney in a damages (monetary) case and LOSE, then YOUR CLIENT has to pay the defendent the EXACT AMOUNT OF MONEY that you were attempting to extract from them as reciprocal damages. Like a game show - winner take all! (That would at least stop the frivolous ones)(again - IMHO)
ErnestM
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