RE: Fuel Station Pumps Price To 10 Euros A Litre

RE: Fuel Station Pumps Price To 10 Euros A Litre

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Hackney

6,811 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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M666 EVO said:
Rediculous sentiment. Truly rediculous. Or are you trying to emply you are considerably richer than thou? Don't you think we get taxed enough with road duty, congestion charges and tolls? It takes away the joy of driving and some people who need to drive simply cannot afford it...
Ridiculous.
Imply.

And if you know your Harry Enfield, it's a brummie guy saying "I am considerably richer than yow!" (as in plough), not "though"

HTH

Mr MXT

7,691 posts

282 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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JonnyFive said:
Mr MXT said:
JonnyFive said:
Mr MXT said:
Andrew[MG] said:
wedgeinald said:
Andrew[MG] said:
What is this E10 ethanol super unleaded you speak of?
90% petrol 10% "bio" ethanol.

A step towards a "green" fuel aparently...
So is it better or worse than normal super? Can any cars use it?
Most Unleaded in the UK is E5 (i.e. 5% content) but most Super is still E0.

Just if you're interested like!
So E0 (None) is good? and E10 (10%) bad? I thought drag cars ran on ethanol?
I didnt say that Jonny boy, just stating fact!
No I know man, I'm just saying.. Is adding Ethanol to the fuel good for the cars, or is pure petrol (VPower?) etc better as it has no Ethanol in it?
Dunno hehe

JuniorJet

417 posts

159 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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£185.90 for 21 ltrs eek

I would have shat myself.

Escort Si-130

3,269 posts

179 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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+1, someone needs to lift the pump tie a cable tie around it so its dispensing. Strike a match on their stubble, throw it and run like the fk out of there.

shouldbenicholas said:
I would torch the place if that happened to me furious

Escort Si-130

3,269 posts

179 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Ass hole, it also leaves your car vulnerable more to vandalism and makes you more likely to be robbed.

9rk said:
Good, fuel prices need to be higher, the sooner they bring this into the country the better, I only hope its like £4.00 a litre this time next year. Gets more people off the road and leaves driving to those who can afford and really need it.

Also helps with the fact of rationing it too.

VPower

3,598 posts

193 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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9rk said:
Good, fuel prices need to be higher, the sooner they bring this into the country the better, I only hope its like £4.00 a litre this time next year. Gets more people off the road and leaves driving to those who can afford and really need it.

Also helps with the fact of rationing it too.
My first thought was to report you to the mods as a tree hugging left wing loony.

But some of your subsequent postings seem to imply you do in fact like cars.
So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

What you totally miss is that prices are not in fact driven so much by supply and demand any longer.
Fuel prices are driven by traders, playing at making money from nothing.
And of course taxation.
I suppose you could say that tankers anchored offshore waiting for the prices to move is actually supply and demand, but it's the false reduction in supply that the Traders create.


Oil prices are to some extent driven by exploration and processing costs, and higher prices have driven producers to extract reserves that were not economic when oil was $10 a barrel (today $122.5 for Brent Crude) Canadian tar sands and Brazilian deep water tar heavy crude just two examples.


But the most distasteful aspect of petrol/diesel prices is that they are driven up for purely political reasons, taxation being the most obvious, but the totally debunked CO2 reduction targets being almost the worst. Reliance on energy from regimes our system on one day berates and the next does a dodgy deal with behind closed doors! The biggest of these is the Russian reserves, and they are probably laughing all the way to their Swiss Banks!

The only aspect NEVER mentioned in these debates is Population growth.
Our tiny Island heading for 70 million is just not sustainable long term IMHO.
The only Country controlling population is China, all the rest chasing "Growth" as the answer to our economic problems.
Well as my old Lecturer once asked, "Where is the exponential limit"??

However, putting all my bull-ste aside, you are I fear Correct in your assessment, that we need to get a lot of people to reduce their road use, when they don't really need to be there in the first place.

When I was young, having a car was the exception, today it is not, and so in real terms is still cheap.
But living in Britain will get more and more expensive as the years pass by.

With this in mind, I keep advising my son to leave this Country as soon as he Graduates and go to Australia or Canada! For some reason he does not seem to want to?

Munich

1,071 posts

195 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Lord Flathead said:
Ha we joke about those prices now. We were not happy when it was 50p a gallon in 1974 then rose to 70p a gallon the next year in '75 eek

In ten years time I fully expect us to be paying near 10 euros (I don't have a EU sign on my keyboard!) a litre as I would wager that only classic cars will be eligible.

Petrol Prices through the ages
Well as long as the absolute increase is eroded by the rate of inflation then I'm not really that worried (as long as my income keeps pace with or increases higher than the rate of inflation wink)

deanocool

17 posts

155 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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good points v-power.

ill have to say though that when is fuel going to be TOO expensive to afford for say, the people on this forum? it could double, even triple and id still have to fork out unless i wanted to hit the dole as getting to work would be a serious ballache. that or what with the amount of jobs available nowadays the local maccy D's would have a very new miserable employee lol. it isnt as simple as catching the local bus for some.

based on that its irrelevant how much fuel prices rise as ill STILL have to pay out. making a point about it does jack all and the government know this unless somethings being blocked or smashed up. nice to see the truckers that blockaded when fuel prices rose now seem to not care? dont want to lose the old 'government discount' if you make a fuss now eh?

lose/lose/lose im afraid.

VPower

3,598 posts

193 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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deanocool said:
good points v-power.

ill have to say though that when is fuel going to be TOO expensive to afford for say, the people on this forum? it could double, even triple and id still have to fork out unless i wanted to hit the dole as getting to work would be a serious ballache. that or what with the amount of jobs available nowadays the local maccy D's would have a very new miserable employee lol. it isnt as simple as catching the local bus for some.

based on that its irrelevant how much fuel prices rise as ill STILL have to pay out. making a point about it does jack all and the government know this unless somethings being blocked or smashed up. nice to see the truckers that blockaded when fuel prices rose now seem to not care? dont want to lose the old 'government discount' if you make a fuss now eh?

lose/lose/lose im afraid.
Deano to answer your question, you (me & everyone) need to look at disposable income.
How much of that are we prepared to spend earning our salary.

Often people pass each other, driving from their home location to their work location, perhaps some (not a lot I know) change in this demographic will help a few people.
In fact I am hoping that just such an opportunity might come up near where I live in the next year or so!


For me, moving house would be a consideration if we hit £4 per litre.
But wifey won't move now as it is, so I may have to travel and stay locally to work, if it's cheaper than driving. (I do 5 on 5 off shifts)
I also can jump on my Motorbike and reduce fuel cost that way, and I suspect a lot of others would consider that at £4 per litre.

Car sharing I think would become big, especially if people got themselves a shed just for that reason.
Loads of £500 cars out there!

New Public transport is Chicken and Egg, driven by the need who knows what may happen.
At £4 a litre, an unemployed local might be ideal to drive an old minibus to take a group to a common destination? If say 6 or 8 city workers clubbed together and even shared the driving it would make sense.

So a lot of ideas, and of course the good old Home-Working for a couple of days a week might allow employers to downsize accommodation and save themselves money by being flexible?

I myself have 30MB broadband and could possibly do my job from home! Although in my case, safety consideration would probably rule it out.

£4 a litre and that Nissan Leaf is starting to look a bargain??

deanocool

17 posts

155 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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lol that nissan leaf is looking VERY interesting v.

yes there are always going to be alternatives but some arent too appealing and i doubt people would bother, simply pay more as i would until youre in the red at the end of the month with too many shell receipts. car sharing is ok if there are people willing to do. at this time and price i think that petrol is still affordable - not at a happy price but whenever is a price a happy one with petrol.

friend of mine had an rx7 twin turbo. it cost him £80 to fill it up and he got 160 miles to that! in the end he sold it as he couldnt afford to run it. the guy who bought it off him sold it 5 months later for the same reason. fun cars nowadays are really going to become a thing of the past unless its a sunny weekender.

ill be looking for a corsa 1.0 on a 95 plate at this rate lol. you can see why all the car manu's are doing away with nissan 300zx's and toyota supras etc. who can afford to run one nowadays? Focus RS anyone? how about a tipple in my GTR? lol. i suppose if you can afford that type of car then you can afford the fuel. my days of fun cars are coming to end though soon i reckon. thank god for the playstation network... oh wait a minute.... damn

GW65

623 posts

205 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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JonnyFive said:
No I know man, I'm just saying.. Is adding Ethanol to the fuel good for the cars, or is pure petrol (VPower?) etc better as it has no Ethanol in it?
Depends on the car. Ethanol is corrosive and can damage parts of the fuel system on cars that aren't designed with it in mind. My car (built in the US) has a warning in the manual that anything over E10 will void the engine warranty. However, some cars are designed to be able to handle E85 (and indeed certain Scandinavian supercars only deliver their maximum power and performance on E85).

The upside of Ethanol is that it reduces knock, so you can run more ignition advance or turbo boost and therefore get more power. Downside is that ethanol contains less energy for a given volume of fuel than petrol, so most current cars will get fewer mpg on E10 than on straight petrol.

Andrew[MG]

3,322 posts

197 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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GW65 said:
JonnyFive said:
No I know man, I'm just saying.. Is adding Ethanol to the fuel good for the cars, or is pure petrol (VPower?) etc better as it has no Ethanol in it?
Depends on the car. Ethanol is corrosive and can damage parts of the fuel system on cars that aren't designed with it in mind. My car (built in the US) has a warning in the manual that anything over E10 will void the engine warranty. However, some cars are designed to be able to handle E85 (and indeed certain Scandinavian supercars only deliver their maximum power and performance on E85).

The upside of Ethanol is that it reduces knock, so you can run more ignition advance or turbo boost and therefore get more power. Downside is that ethanol contains less energy for a given volume of fuel than petrol, so most current cars will get fewer mpg on E10 than on straight petrol.
So they are diluting our petrol and giving us a lower mpg....awesome.

http://fw.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agr...

Edited by Andrew[MG] on Thursday 28th April 08:32

slowtypa

86 posts

230 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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Time was, you had to go to war and win to take over a country. Since fuel/energy is the lynch pin of the Wests

economies if you can control that and you dont need to go too war. Make good profits on that supply and you

can buy those countries piece by piece.

I would like now how much of London is now owned by oil suppling 'friends'

Ray

nickrout

45 posts

173 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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stagman said:
9rk said:
Because what everyone seems to forget, although times are tough and fuel prices are getting higher, we are actually running out of the crap. Because no one can see that, the only way the government can seem to get around this huge issue is by slowly rising fuel prices, to the point where the country does meet that dreaded peak where only the rich and those in power can have it.

If it was too pricey to afford then everyone would have to get into a new way and routine of transport i.e. people use bikes more, or public transport, yes this will effect their jobs, not alone business's worldwide but they will adapt and change over time. I mean what else can we do, we can’t just say cheap prices for everyone can we?

I don’t like paying through the nose for fuel either but there is no other option, and if I’m so wrong then why are they doing it?

Edited by 9rk on Wednesday 27th April 15:10
Errr, running out of it???? We have more known reserves now than we believed some 40 years ago due to far more advanced exploration techniques.
The world price is purely agreed to keep the middle east from turning off their supply. Unfortunately for them, sand doesn't command a very high price.
Yeh, except Saudi Arabia have been fibbing about their reserves, the new tar sand oil fields you talk of produce at a ratio of about 6/10 (i.e. It takes 6 barrels of crude to produce, extract and refine 10 barrels unlike the sweet crude that was being pulled up 40 years ago. It's peak oil baby, it has been well documented in the American oil fields that peaked production in the 70's.

Now consider that our consumption of the black stuff has risen exponentially over the decades, supply is now outstripping demand. We have lots of oil left, but can't physically get it out the ground quick enough.

I get 18 to the gallon around town and I don't care! biggrin

GingerMunky

1,162 posts

256 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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Prince Jefri said:
Seems like a good way to stop panic buying. Petrol shortage in the area; put up the prices so most people buy only what they need.

Scaremongering (sp!)
Being deeply cinical the petrol company might be using the supply shortage as test marketing for future pricing as oil prices spike. It would make sense to cross reference demand and supply against the demographic of their customers to plan future marketing strategy.

TheOrangePeril

778 posts

179 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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shouldbenicholas said:
I would torch the place if that happened to me furious
Are you not that great at reading signs then?...

zebedee

4,589 posts

277 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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dandarez said:
Oh dear. More washing of the brain.
You get on your bike, if you want to. Nothing wrong with that, that's what 'they' want you to do.

It's not running out.
If it is, tell me exactly when this is likely to happen: your lifetime?, mine? (not a chance in hell!), your childrens'? (supposing you have any, or is it still safe to bring them into this dastardly world?).
It's just that there is a ME crisis and a panic. It's not running out, it's more difficult to get.
The government loves it, cos it's raking it in!

It's like we are all living longer... another washing of the brain. Tell the people something enough and they'll believe it.
Global warming (sorry, climate change). More washing... usually starting at kindergarten now.
The ozone layer (surely it should have disappeared completely by now and life on earth vanished?)
Acid Rain... whatever happened to that? Perhaps it disappeared with the 'shower' who thought it up?

Swine Flu, that was a bit of a pig tale!
Healthy eating agenda. Low fat this, low fat that. 30 years of it, yet we are more obese than ever (except those who don't listen to the nonsense).
My generation was brought up to go to work on an egg, dripping on toast, beef fat, sausages and bacon, fried bread for breakfast, etc etc, yet we were like beanpoles. Take a look at a 60s video of Led Zeppelin! What fat ba.....ds they were. The 'drainpipes' fashion would have a hard time making a comeback in the 'healthy eating' era now.

The End is Nigh. I remember those placards all over the place in the 60s.
Some of us were washed of the brain and thought it was true in the early 70s when the Yom Kippur war errupted and arrrrrghhhhhhhh petrol ration books were handed out (I've still got mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why? THEY WERE NEVER USED! That old story - it'll run out - fuel prices in 73 quadrupled overnight! Bet you weren't around then?

Just to add, if it is 'really' running out, there are going to be a hell of a lot of redundancies at the worlds car giants, eh?

Nah, the infernal combustion engine is here to stay for a while yet.

A LONG while!
I wish I shared your optimism, but I don't. Unless I misunderstand oil reserves, Iraq's oil ministry, of all people, say there are 143bn barrels of oil in reserve. They intend 6m barrels a day and have often quoted higher. We could be looking at 60-odd years then (again my maths might be way out) and there will be none left, so you can imagine the price when there is only half left, in 30 years, which hopefully should still be in my lifetime!

And Iraq is supposed to have more than anywhere else isn't it?

If you think of all the roads, all the cities, all the cars around the world, all the other engines we don't even think about, trains, planes, tractors, the amount of juice being drunk is phenonemal. Of course it can't last!

zebedee

4,589 posts

277 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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Munich said:
Well as long as the absolute increase is eroded by the rate of inflation then I'm not really that worried (as long as my income keeps pace with or increases higher than the rate of inflation wink)
If you have seen your income increase through keeping the same job and role in the last 3 years I would say you are doing very well! I am in real terms quite a bit worse off than I was 3 years ago as inflation has its wicked way.

V88Dicky

7,302 posts

182 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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Relax folks! smile

Oil reserves are higher now than they've ever been, almost a Trillion barrels in fact!

As already posted, unscrupulous traders and speculators, as well as the fizzy-pop-gas doomsday merchants (most Western governments), are the ones driving up prices.


jamescarter1981

94 posts

239 months

Thursday 28th April 2011
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It's a way of the government forcing us all to drive those god awful G-Wiz things!!