Throttle Pot equivalent parts

Throttle Pot equivalent parts

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gruffalo

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7,521 posts

226 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Has anyone tried the equivalent throttle pots and if so any feed back on the quality?

This site has them listed and it looks like I need a pair and originals are scarce.


Byker28i

59,739 posts

217 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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4.5 blue ones? TVR Parts not got them?

Power are expensive but may have them
RaceTech?

Other than that it'll be try the ford equivilent

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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The blue ones are unobtanium at the moment apparently (racetech said they'd not had any for some time ) so I don't know what people are using because they're a regular fail point.
Ive just used my very last blue one on a car, and I'm trying to sort some replacements via a company in germany but it's hard going.
If anyone finds a suitable replacement that would be great !

FarmyardPants

4,108 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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What happened to the Hall Effect replacements? scratchchin

fatjon

2,195 posts

213 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Not a straight swap as the output voltage change rate is different so the ECU needs a tweak to work with them.

ukkid35

6,175 posts

173 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Worth remembering that the white ones are the same but in reverse.

No idea whether that means they can be re-engineered.

Byker28i

59,739 posts

217 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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ukkid35 said:
Worth remembering that the white ones are the same but in reverse.

No idea whether that means they can be re-engineered.
...Or could you cut the slot through and fit them in reverse?

gruffalo

Original Poster:

7,521 posts

226 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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I have ordered one from Germany, if you google the Ford part number there are a number of equivalents. I think I only have one that is faulty so when it arrives I will plug the car into a pc and see if the old and new track at the same rate.

Let's hope they do so we all have an alternative source.


Byker28i

59,739 posts

217 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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You know in an emergency you can run on just the one good one. If you disconnect the bad one the ecu will use the good one for both sides.

Byker28i

59,739 posts

217 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Byker28i said:
ukkid35 said:
Worth remembering that the white ones are the same but in reverse.

No idea whether that means they can be re-engineered.
...Or could you cut the slot through and fit them in reverse?
Just looked at my spare white one. If the only difference is the direction then it's easy to drill/cut through the plastic cover and fit it in reverse.

How much were th eford ones - the same price as we pay for TVR?

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Update on this, Ive just cancelled my order with the german firm who are not the paragon of german efficiency after all ..

Ive just taken the centre out of an old blue pot (which punched out nicely from the other side with a small drift and hammer ..)
However the angle of the D shape isn't a mirror image of the white pot, so the alloy collars on the 4.5 throttle bodies will require moving. I hope mthere's enough room to do this but haven't tried on a car yet.
The blue and white pots are used on opposite ends of the speed6 throttles so should be electrically identical in terms of output v sweep.
I will know more when Ive done some tests, but as a short term measure using the white pot in reverse on the 4.5 *should* be possible as long as the alloy pot collar on the manifolds will allow enough rotation to accomodate the difference in position of the D slot. The only other change would be the swapping of the power and earth connections in the 3 pin multiplug.
More later

fatjon

2,195 posts

213 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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http://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/Products/Sensors...


These could be a long term solution if they can program them to emulate the ford ones. I'll ring them as I want some for mine anyway.


fatjon

2,195 posts

213 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Just spoke to Jenvey, they are looking into it. It seems that they can be factory programmed to emulate any other TPS but he's not sure how to go about telling them what we need in terms of angles and output voltages so he's looking into it. I have a spare one I think so I'll have an hour on it tonight and see if they are linear and see if can work up a table.

A nice contactless solution would be nice if they are not silly money, although the ford one isn't cheap as TPS units go.

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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A contactless system like that would be great, someone else was looking into it a couple of years ago but never got any further than the initial emailing I think.

gruffalo

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7,521 posts

226 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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I have just cancelled my order as well, non of the equivalent parts are available.

I need at least one as soon as possible as my car is very stuttering at light throttle, fine when foot to the floor.


thefrog

341 posts

219 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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What about black ones ? I have one at home (heavens knows why - probably ordered by mistake) which has similar resistance values (similar enough in electronic terms) and look identical mechanically. I believe it's for the 4.2 v8 ?

fatjon

2,195 posts

213 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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4.2 ones go on the other end of the shaft so they rotate the wrong way, I think!

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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The black ones are fine, in fact I managed to find one on ebay the other day so I bought it (brand new old stock), but new ones are unobtanium just like the blue ones sadly.

Jooles81

127 posts

149 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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I bought one here :
https://m.autodoc.co.uk/metzger/1811115

Slow, but new, and looks like the ones on the car (4.2). Not fitted yet though.

I've looked at those contactless ones but found jenvey pretty unhelpful after the first e-mail. Was planning to buy one for test, but no cash for that for the moment. Supateg has one, but has not tested it yet, AFAIK.

Julien

gruffalo

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226 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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spitfire4v8 said:
The black ones are fine, in fact I managed to find one on ebay the other day so I bought it (brand new old stock), but new ones are unobtanium just like the blue ones sadly.
Can the black ones be used on a 4.5?