Spare 4.2 engine?

Spare 4.2 engine?

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Byker28i

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59,558 posts

217 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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FarmyardPants said:
also what is wrong with it?
Low compession cylinders 1&2 - full list of hat was required when stripped was provided earlier.

TwinKam

2,964 posts

95 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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BIG DUNC said:
It is much better that they found the problem before giving it back to you and letting you run it for 1,000 miles and then finding you have a much worse problem with it.

I know it is frustrating, but I would rather they took their time now so when the engine does come back it is 100%.

Edited by BIG DUNC on Thursday 29th March 15:37
This ^^^

gruffalo

7,520 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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TwinKam said:
BIG DUNC said:
It is much better that they found the problem before giving it back to you and letting you run it for 1,000 miles and then finding you have a much worse problem with it.

I know it is frustrating, but I would rather they took their time now so when the engine does come back it is 100%.

Edited by BIG DUNC on Thursday 29th March 15:37
This ^^^
Yep this with bells on.

FarmyardPants

4,108 posts

218 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Byker28i said:
Engine still not back, something found wrong with it
Byker28i said:
FarmyardPants said:
also what is wrong with it?
Low compession cylinders 1&2 - full list of hat was required when stripped was provided earlier.
I meant: "what was the problem they recently encountered that has caused an unexpected delay with the rebuild?"
I did not mean: "why did it need a rebuild in the first place?"

Are you (they) saying the rebuilt engine has low compression?!



Edited by FarmyardPants on Thursday 29th March 19:25

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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Byker28i said:
Low compession cylinders 1&2 - full list of hat was required when stripped was provided earlier.
Who’s doing this... presumably not power?

When everything is machined precisely you could almost assemble blindfolded as you’ve given the machine shop your spec.

Byker28i

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59,558 posts

217 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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They've found another issue... after it was supposed to have been built, tested and delivered. I think it's just further delaying tactics and I'm trying to find out more.

Chimp871

837 posts

117 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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Truly feel for you and your P&J mate. Gets harder to remain objective on it, but you'd loose a lot now if you sold it as an incomplete car.

Like you said they need to explain why now it has low cost compression if you've installed new liners etc. I suggest you start getting answers in writing from them.

coffinvalley

44 posts

196 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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who is doing the work? Or is that disclosure against pistonheads protocol?

Byker28i

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217 months

Saturday 31st March 2018
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Chimp871 said:
Truly feel for you and your P&J mate. Gets harder to remain objective on it, but you'd loose a lot now if you sold it as an incomplete car.

Like you said they need to explain why now it has low cost compression if you've installed new liners etc. I suggest you start getting answers in writing from them.
Low compression was the original fault, it's got something else wrong. I'm trying to get the full story but of course Easter is another delay.
Just venting at all the disappointment...

Byker28i

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Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Byker28i

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217 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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It's arrived...

Freshly powder coated covers. I thought a whole black engine would be too much so it's just bare at the moment






TwinKam

2,964 posts

95 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Excited for you! thumbup

ukkid35

6,171 posts

173 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Exhaust port covers, but no intake covers - weird

Any description of the work done and the issues encountered?

julian64

14,317 posts

254 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Pretty

Byker28i

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217 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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ukkid35 said:
Exhaust port covers, but no intake covers - weird

Any description of the work done and the issues encountered?
To be fair it as all wrapped tightly with clingfilm which was removed to look at it.

New large main bearing crank with associated machining etc, aux shaft upgrade, converted the front crankshaft oil seal housing to the later type as the old pulley adaptor had fretted on the crank nose as the bolt had been loose with the washer missing.
The cylinder heads caused issues as the casting was oversize and oval for 2 of the valve guides, it's sugegsted these must have been loose for most of the engines life. Two of the guides fell out when the engine was dismantled.

Then it's new everything else, camshafts, valves, everything uprated to the latest spec etc.
However it's the same price I paid for the car 11 years ago...

ukkid35

6,171 posts

173 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Byker28i said:
The cylinder heads caused issues as the casting was oversize and oval for 2 of the valve guides, it's sugegsted these must have been loose for most of the engines life. Two of the guides fell out when the engine was dismantled.
Am I right in thinking you treat the engine gently - no track days, drag racing etc?

Do you know which cylinders and which valves were affected?

Since it was suggested this was long standing, are they saying that there was no other fault that might have cause the valve guide failure?

It would have been good to see photos of the remedial work on the heads

Byker28i

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Thursday 5th April 2018
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ukkid35 said:
Byker28i said:
The cylinder heads caused issues as the casting was oversize and oval for 2 of the valve guides, it's sugegsted these must have been loose for most of the engines life. Two of the guides fell out when the engine was dismantled.
Am I right in thinking you treat the engine gently - no track days, drag racing etc?

Do you know which cylinders and which valves were affected?

Since it was suggested this was long standing, are they saying that there was no other fault that might have cause the valve guide failure?

It would have been good to see photos of the remedial work on the heads
Track days in the first few years of ownership, but nothing for the last 9 years. Enthusiastic last couple of parade laps at last years Classic Spa, but it was running fine, kept up with a McLaren P1, was overtaking plenty. Before that I was just running behind a friend filming him on the camera.

The car has always been warmed up fully before any spirited driving was attempted, even on trackdays. A few gentle laps, building up before giving it beans.

It's always serviced every year just before MOT even if the mileage was low, sometimes only 2-3K a year. I had no indication there was anything wrong as the engine was strong. It was discovered to have slightly low compression on cylinders 1&2 when it went in to have the coils replaced, following a misfire from a very wet weekend in Wales.

Engine was just under 60K miles.

BIG DUNC

1,918 posts

223 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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It must be fantastic to have it back.
I hope fitting it goes smoothly and you get to drive it soon.

Byker28i

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217 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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BIG DUNC said:
It must be fantastic to have it back.
I hope fitting it goes smoothly and you get to drive it soon.
I'm away in a week, so it may be a couple of weeks before i get it back. I'd hoped for this weekend but that would be a rush and I'd rather not a rush job, not after all this time already.

ukkid35

6,171 posts

173 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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Worth converting to front mounted dipstick?