Discovery 4 - am I missing something
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I'm looking for a Disco 4 Commercial but the prices are all over the places, literally some nearly double the price of others at a similar age.
When the 2014 facelift was done, was anything significant done to the engine / gearbox? The newer model reports improved economy but the only difference I can find is the addition of stop-start?
2012+ models are still commanding really strong prices. Is this because people don't like the new Discovery 5?
Higher mileage seems to really hammer the value, but plenty of people say they can take it with ease. Is it a case of buyers happy to pay the premium for 70k miles or so but those in the know are laughing at safely buying for much less at 125k miles??
Internet insight sought!
When the 2014 facelift was done, was anything significant done to the engine / gearbox? The newer model reports improved economy but the only difference I can find is the addition of stop-start?
2012+ models are still commanding really strong prices. Is this because people don't like the new Discovery 5?
Higher mileage seems to really hammer the value, but plenty of people say they can take it with ease. Is it a case of buyers happy to pay the premium for 70k miles or so but those in the know are laughing at safely buying for much less at 125k miles??
Internet insight sought!
I believe the facelift coincied with a new gear box.
I won't pretend to know the ins and outs but the newer and better one has the same "gear selector" as the jags. The circle that pops up when you turn the ignition on.
A very good friend and all round LR geek wouldn't settle for the older style, it HAD to be that gear box...(7 or 8 speed ZF i seem to recall, but could be very wrong).
That's all i can offer sorry.
I won't pretend to know the ins and outs but the newer and better one has the same "gear selector" as the jags. The circle that pops up when you turn the ignition on.
A very good friend and all round LR geek wouldn't settle for the older style, it HAD to be that gear box...(7 or 8 speed ZF i seem to recall, but could be very wrong).
That's all i can offer sorry.
Cheers - I should clarify though, I meant the last facelift to the one with DISCOVERY on the bonnet and clear headlights. By then the 8 speed ZF and the circular controller was already being used. There's something like 3 mpg improvement (officially) pre and post facelift so I was curious to know whether this was totally down to adding stop-start or there were other engine / gearbox tweaks, or if they remained unchanged.
biggles330d said:
Cheers - I should clarify though, I meant the last facelift to the one with DISCOVERY on the bonnet and clear headlights. By then the 8 speed ZF and the circular controller was already being used. There's something like 3 mpg improvement (officially) pre and post facelift so I was curious to know whether this was totally down to adding stop-start or there were other engine / gearbox tweaks, or if they remained unchanged.
No real changes. Bit of styling and ad blue with stop start added.Gearbox the same 8 speed as from 2012.
I prefer the 6 speed-less bloody gear changes.
Ah, thought so.
On the gearbox, personal preference I suppose but if it's the same 8 speed ZF that's in my BMW (and most current ones) it's an incredibly smooth and effective one and way better than the 6 speed in the last 330d I had. Gearchanges are almost imperceptible so I assumed the same in the Discovery / FFRR?
On the gearbox, personal preference I suppose but if it's the same 8 speed ZF that's in my BMW (and most current ones) it's an incredibly smooth and effective one and way better than the 6 speed in the last 330d I had. Gearchanges are almost imperceptible so I assumed the same in the Discovery / FFRR?
They are great boxes yes.
My 6 speed changes are imperceptible-really very very good.
I have driven 8 speeds and they too are super smooth. I would be very happy with either, but if I had to criticise, it would be that the 8 speed will kick down a gear or 2 on the motorway when you request just a little more speed, where the 6 speed does not. But really thats nothing to complain about.
Oh, and I like resting my hand on the gear stick
My 6 speed changes are imperceptible-really very very good.
I have driven 8 speeds and they too are super smooth. I would be very happy with either, but if I had to criticise, it would be that the 8 speed will kick down a gear or 2 on the motorway when you request just a little more speed, where the 6 speed does not. But really thats nothing to complain about.
Oh, and I like resting my hand on the gear stick
I’ve never understood why the commercials are so expensive given they’re missing proper rear seats and some other bits!
Anyway, the final facelift isn’t really the end of the changes. Ad-blue came in towards the end of the run, my 2015 doesn’t have it and I think that puts the non-ad blue in Euro5 rather than Euro 6 - which may be important depending on where you plan to drive it.
The gearbox changed in about 2012 to the 8-speed. The gearchanges are barely noticeable so you don’t feel it shifting around. I don’t mind the six speed but the eight speed is leagues ahead. There’s a power increase of 10PS or so somewhere along the line as well.
Inside, the rear view and surround cameras got worse from 2014 (much worse!) and again at some point the stereos changed to Meridian systems which some prefer and some don’t. The nav is ancient in all of them but it does sort of work. The touchscreen resolution is better on the newer ones but weirdly there are some options screens that still use the lower resolution from the older system.
All-in-all they’re fantastic cars and if they still made them I’d have a new one tomorrow!
Anyway, the final facelift isn’t really the end of the changes. Ad-blue came in towards the end of the run, my 2015 doesn’t have it and I think that puts the non-ad blue in Euro5 rather than Euro 6 - which may be important depending on where you plan to drive it.
The gearbox changed in about 2012 to the 8-speed. The gearchanges are barely noticeable so you don’t feel it shifting around. I don’t mind the six speed but the eight speed is leagues ahead. There’s a power increase of 10PS or so somewhere along the line as well.
Inside, the rear view and surround cameras got worse from 2014 (much worse!) and again at some point the stereos changed to Meridian systems which some prefer and some don’t. The nav is ancient in all of them but it does sort of work. The touchscreen resolution is better on the newer ones but weirdly there are some options screens that still use the lower resolution from the older system.
All-in-all they’re fantastic cars and if they still made them I’d have a new one tomorrow!
They only built commercial models a few times a year. They saved up orders then ran them down the line in a large batch.
You could order a regular D4 anytime you liked.
2012 is the change from 6 to 8 speed.
Engine bhp went from 245 to 255.
There is stop start and ad blue on the last lot. Helps take ved pricing down from £525ish to £2** so a decent saving.
Specs are all over the place as well for interior seats, options etc.
The engines can do large mileage, if serviced correctly with correct oil.
Same with automatic boxes. They NEED, to be serviced! They are not sealed for life.
A 6 speed is 50-75,000 and an 8 speed is 30-50,000 between oil changes. Get a specialist to change that as the 8 speed is a bit fiddly for oil changes.
You could order a regular D4 anytime you liked.
2012 is the change from 6 to 8 speed.
Engine bhp went from 245 to 255.
There is stop start and ad blue on the last lot. Helps take ved pricing down from £525ish to £2** so a decent saving.
Specs are all over the place as well for interior seats, options etc.
The engines can do large mileage, if serviced correctly with correct oil.
Same with automatic boxes. They NEED, to be serviced! They are not sealed for life.
A 6 speed is 50-75,000 and an 8 speed is 30-50,000 between oil changes. Get a specialist to change that as the 8 speed is a bit fiddly for oil changes.
Found a 1 owner 2014 with full history and 140k+ miles. History includes belts changed.
30k+ miles a year since new sounds like it's been mostly motorway, or at least lots of long journeys so properly warm most of the time. And hopefully most of it's life on the road, not being repaired at the garage!
Looks like a much better bet that the 80k mile 2010/11 models that are similarly priced.
30k+ miles a year since new sounds like it's been mostly motorway, or at least lots of long journeys so properly warm most of the time. And hopefully most of it's life on the road, not being repaired at the garage!
Looks like a much better bet that the 80k mile 2010/11 models that are similarly priced.
Steviesam said:
They are great boxes yes.
My 6 speed changes are imperceptible-really very very good.
I have driven 8 speeds and they too are super smooth. I would be very happy with either, but if I had to criticise, it would be that the 8 speed will kick down a gear or 2 on the motorway when you request just a little more speed, where the 6 speed does not. But really thats nothing to complain about.
Oh, and I like resting my hand on the gear stick
I would agree exactly with this. My 6 speed changes are imperceptible-really very very good.
I have driven 8 speeds and they too are super smooth. I would be very happy with either, but if I had to criticise, it would be that the 8 speed will kick down a gear or 2 on the motorway when you request just a little more speed, where the 6 speed does not. But really thats nothing to complain about.
Oh, and I like resting my hand on the gear stick
The engines are the same from 2009 end of D4 range, RRS and FFRR, and I believe the D5 has gone back to the same engine after a brief spell with a single turbo.
Great vehicles.
jon-yprpe said:
Euro 6 engines were from MY15.5 - so August 15 onwards. My wife’s old Disco 4 was Euro 6 with ad blue but was registered in July 15 on a ‘15’ plate. So was one of the first MY15.5s.
My Jan 2016 commercial is not Ad Blue - pretty sure the D4 commercials never got Ad Blue...Best vehicles we’ve got!
MOD500 said:
Regards the Ad blue, my understanding is the commercials were all non ad blue, and commercial production ceased before Euro 6 rules came into force 1st Sept '16? Production of non comm D4 continued past this date and had ad blue system fitted to meet euro 6? D4 comm are great motors 
Yep, I had one of the last D4 Commercials and it was non ad-blue.Post 2012 SDV6 models of the Disco4 came with the rotary gearbox, and 8 speed auto box and twin turbo's. I have this in a HSE with every extra fitted and its fine. Its quiet and the 8 speed makes it easy to drive and gear changes cant be felt . One issue though is initial take off from a standstill comes with a LR flatspot and a lurch from stationary. Its also a pain being so high off the ground when you come to get in to it and I am a six footer not a dwarf. Also, if you hit an alloy on the kerb it will cost you £500 each to replace them and good tyres for it are all over £130 each.
If you are in to speed, there are remaps for it with outputs of around 300bhp and 700NM for about £395 such as Alive Tunings product.
SO take you pick and if you can afford the running costs they are simply lovely, roomy and comfy and carry 7 people easily.
If you are in to speed, there are remaps for it with outputs of around 300bhp and 700NM for about £395 such as Alive Tunings product.
SO take you pick and if you can afford the running costs they are simply lovely, roomy and comfy and carry 7 people easily.
Dodgy Den said:
Post 2012 SDV6 models of the Disco4 came with the rotary gearbox, and 8 speed auto box and twin turbo's. I have this in a HSE with every extra fitted and its fine. Its quiet and the 8 speed makes it easy to drive and gear changes cant be felt . One issue though is initial take off from a standstill comes with a LR flatspot and a lurch from stationary. Its also a pain being so high off the ground when you come to get in to it and I am a six footer not a dwarf. Also, if you hit an alloy on the kerb it will cost you £500 each to replace them and good tyres for it are all over £130 each.
If you are in to speed, there are remaps for it with outputs of around 300bhp and 700NM for about £395 such as Alive Tunings product.
SO take you pick and if you can afford the running costs they are simply lovely, roomy and comfy and carry 7 people easily.
All 3.0 Disco 4s have twin turbos.If you are in to speed, there are remaps for it with outputs of around 300bhp and 700NM for about £395 such as Alive Tunings product.
SO take you pick and if you can afford the running costs they are simply lovely, roomy and comfy and carry 7 people easily.
Dodgy Den said:
Post 2012 SDV6 models of the Disco4 came with the rotary gearbox, and 8 speed auto box and twin turbo's. I have this in a HSE with every extra fitted and its fine. Its quiet and the 8 speed makes it easy to drive and gear changes cant be felt . One issue though is initial take off from a standstill comes with a LR flatspot and a lurch from stationary. Its also a pain being so high off the ground when you come to get in to it and I am a six footer not a dwarf. Also, if you hit an alloy on the kerb it will cost you £500 each to replace them and good tyres for it are all over £130 each.
If you are in to speed, there are remaps for it with outputs of around 300bhp and 700NM for about £395 such as Alive Tunings product.
SO take you pick and if you can afford the running costs they are simply lovely, roomy and comfy and carry 7 people easily.
I’m 5 foot 10 and never had an issue getting in and out, just lower the suspension no? I just slid in and out. My missus is 5 foot 4 and had no issue either. The MIL is a real short arse and used the side step. Don’t see the problem.?If you are in to speed, there are remaps for it with outputs of around 300bhp and 700NM for about £395 such as Alive Tunings product.
SO take you pick and if you can afford the running costs they are simply lovely, roomy and comfy and carry 7 people easily.
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