0 hr contracts
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I'm currently in a 0hr contract job, just something small on the side of studying at uni. Works well as I give them my timetable and they put shifts around that.
This is where I'm not too pleased with the "rules" of said job. 3 weeks in advance for any days off and cover must be found for the shift by yourself, same with being ill. 12hr notice with me finding the cover, not the easiest thing to do if you are genuinely ill. But its fine 2hrs before your shift for them to say "sorry we dont need you today". Can see why the government wants to ban these, they're a joke!
This is where I'm not too pleased with the "rules" of said job. 3 weeks in advance for any days off and cover must be found for the shift by yourself, same with being ill. 12hr notice with me finding the cover, not the easiest thing to do if you are genuinely ill. But its fine 2hrs before your shift for them to say "sorry we dont need you today". Can see why the government wants to ban these, they're a joke!
Drumroll said:
Sounds like a cr@p employer rather than anything to do with zero hours contract.
Its a big pub chain, I'm unsure if it's them or the actual site managers that are the issue. It's not the first time I've been annoyed to the extent of wanting to leave and deal with a few hundred £££ a month lessFor the right person, a zero hour contract can work well.
Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
valiant said:
For the right person, a zero hour contract can work well.
Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
Where do i stand on holiday? I've said to them that I need a weekend off soon as I'm going to Northern Ireland to pick up a car, a year in the making and I can finally bring it home. Haven't had a reply, just a snotty indirect message on the FB staff group about holiday and the 3 weeks malarkey Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
HedgeyGedgey said:
Where do i stand on holiday? I've said to them that I need a weekend off soon as I'm going to Northern Ireland to pick up a car, a year in the making and I can finally bring it home. Haven't had a reply, just a snotty indirect message on the FB staff group about holiday and the 3 weeks malarkey
Holiday pay might be built into your standard hourly rate. Alternatively your payslip should show how many hours of holiday you've accrued.HedgeyGedgey said:
valiant said:
For the right person, a zero hour contract can work well.
Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
Where do i stand on holiday? I've said to them that I need a weekend off soon as I'm going to Northern Ireland to pick up a car, a year in the making and I can finally bring it home. Haven't had a reply, just a snotty indirect message on the FB staff group about holiday and the 3 weeks malarkey Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
Whilst it’s worked for you in some way or other to date are there alternatives you could look at?
When I was at uni I worked Sat and Sun full days 8-8 and 8-6 as a “casual” member of staff.
Summer hols etc I’d be full time in the same chain but at my home town time off was easy enough.
Food for thought.
When I was at uni I worked Sat and Sun full days 8-8 and 8-6 as a “casual” member of staff.
Summer hols etc I’d be full time in the same chain but at my home town time off was easy enough.
Food for thought.
HedgeyGedgey said:
Its a big pub chain, I'm unsure if it's them or the actual site managers that are the issue. It's not the first time I've been annoyed to the extent of wanting to leave and deal with a few hundred £££ a month less
If it is a big pub chain can you not find out the T&Cs from head office or online? Would be interesting to compare them to what the manager says. Probably causing trouble for yourself but if they are different might be an idea to ask why?There will be other employers near by that do flexible 0 hours contracts. Employers that don't expect so much back from you with so little in return. I used to work for a chain restaurant and the managers there bent over backwards to be as flexible as possible and help cover shifts. It's not the company or 0 hours contracts that are the problem it's the managers.
Oh and btw, once the rota is published the hours you are given on that rota are now your contracted hours. 0 hours or not, that time is now yours and as long as you turn up to work and stay there for that time and fulfil your role you are owed the money. Even if they phone you up saying they don't need you in before hand you can still go in to work for that time and get payed for it.
Oh and btw, once the rota is published the hours you are given on that rota are now your contracted hours. 0 hours or not, that time is now yours and as long as you turn up to work and stay there for that time and fulfil your role you are owed the money. Even if they phone you up saying they don't need you in before hand you can still go in to work for that time and get payed for it.
Agreed poor employer or local management, call your HR line and get the official steer.
My partner has 3 staff on 0 hours contracts and there is none of this rubbish there, they give her windows they can work in and she builds a rota from there. She's paid to manage staffing not the staff themselves, she asks them to help out and make enquiries for cover themselves but its not their issue if she cant find cover.
Works well for all 3 staff as they are students and from time to time have exams/pulls on time where they don't want to work. There are also quiet days where they ask to leave early which saves the business money.
They have a holiday ban in december as this is peak season but one of the girls requested 2 weeks off. Shes not getting paid it as shes got no accrued leave to take and shes under no obligation to work any hours. I've also suggested that she should forfeit any Christmas bonus if they decide to give one but apparently im too harsh!
My partner has 3 staff on 0 hours contracts and there is none of this rubbish there, they give her windows they can work in and she builds a rota from there. She's paid to manage staffing not the staff themselves, she asks them to help out and make enquiries for cover themselves but its not their issue if she cant find cover.
Works well for all 3 staff as they are students and from time to time have exams/pulls on time where they don't want to work. There are also quiet days where they ask to leave early which saves the business money.
They have a holiday ban in december as this is peak season but one of the girls requested 2 weeks off. Shes not getting paid it as shes got no accrued leave to take and shes under no obligation to work any hours. I've also suggested that she should forfeit any Christmas bonus if they decide to give one but apparently im too harsh!
Jesus........does the employer want you to wipe their bum hole for them as well when they take a sh*t?
What do they actually bring to the party? And I have never heard of arranging your own cover if you need time off. Is this company in the 21st century? And if you arrange your own cover, why does the employer still need that 3 weeks notice?
Clearly you like the idea of zero hours contracts or at least it suits your lifestyle but I hate the whole concept - its the thin end of the wedge IMHO.
treating people like throwaways with few rights and benefits.
Id like to see somebody on one of these contracts have an accident and the employer is taken to the cleaners by a H&S investigation and it raises the whole question of the master and servant relationship.
It makes my heart sink when i hear of folk who sleep with their mobile by their side in case the "employer" rings or usually texts (they dont want to actually talk with you as youre nothing to them) your next shift. then just as youre about to walk through the door they text again saying "not needed today". and if you dont respond to the first text then youre singled out or fired.
rant over.
What do they actually bring to the party? And I have never heard of arranging your own cover if you need time off. Is this company in the 21st century? And if you arrange your own cover, why does the employer still need that 3 weeks notice?
Clearly you like the idea of zero hours contracts or at least it suits your lifestyle but I hate the whole concept - its the thin end of the wedge IMHO.
treating people like throwaways with few rights and benefits.
Id like to see somebody on one of these contracts have an accident and the employer is taken to the cleaners by a H&S investigation and it raises the whole question of the master and servant relationship.
It makes my heart sink when i hear of folk who sleep with their mobile by their side in case the "employer" rings or usually texts (they dont want to actually talk with you as youre nothing to them) your next shift. then just as youre about to walk through the door they text again saying "not needed today". and if you dont respond to the first text then youre singled out or fired.
rant over.
valiant said:
For the right person, a zero hour contract can work well.
Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
which is inevitably about £32 for 4 hours or if youre really onto a winner £64 for 8 hours.......terrible really. And they owe you very little else on top of that.shame the UK even needs this type of work. feels we are going backwards not forwards.Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
who saw the news item last night - shop scan and pay apps with Co-op? They said oh no we wont be laying existing employees off. yeah right. give it time.
Thing is i love the job, often spend time with the managers and co workers outside of work. It's only days off or sickness that causes disagreements with management. But its good to hear that its the management thats the issue, I didn't really know the one and outs of 0hr contracts tbh. It fits my lifestyle atm with exams etc, I've asked for the first week of November off and got no reply
HedgeyGedgey said:
Thing is i love the job, often spend time with the managers and co workers outside of work. It's only days off or sickness that causes disagreements with management. But its good to hear that its the management thats the issue, I didn't really know the one and outs of 0hr contracts tbh. It fits my lifestyle atm with exams etc, I've asked for the first week of November off and got no reply
you have no contracted hours, you're not asking for leave, you're telling them you are unavailable for work that week.I expect the terms/contract you have is a standard hours contract for notice periods that's just had the number of hours set at 0 rather than a specifically written contract.
Countdown said:
Drumroll said:
Sounds like a cr@p employer rather than anything to do with zero hours contract.
The two quite often go hand in hand.The two issues are separate.
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