Penrite by the barrel
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If there are any other Penrite fans out there, there is a seller on eBay doing 20L of HPR10 Fully Synthetic for €89 inc shipping
Took two weeks to arrive safely and well packaged from Czech Republic
No duty to pay for the time being, but obviously that is likely to change
I have been paying about £40 for 5L, so this is half price
Took two weeks to arrive safely and well packaged from Czech Republic
No duty to pay for the time being, but obviously that is likely to change
I have been paying about £40 for 5L, so this is half price
And now an alternative opinion:
I do track days in my 4.6 turbo Chimaera, and also do a fair amount of mileage. I used to buy Shell Racing 10w60 off Ebay from Germany (though the geezer is probably Czech to judge by his name) in 20 litre barrels for £110 delivered.
It always seemed fine, but my engine did overheat on one occasion and basically ended up as scrap 18 months ago (it warped the block).
I am in no way blaming the oil, I have no proof, but the barrel never seemed to be the same exact colour or label twice running, and with the number of fake car parts out there (try getting a genuine Bosch or NGK anything off Ebay) I just started to wonder if it was a risk too far?
I now buy my Valvolive VR Racing 10w60 from my local branch of Allwoods (other brilliant local car parts places are available at a town near you), at £37 for 5 litres, so for 10 litres it is about £20 more than the Shell. My car has an extended sump, so takes 9 litres per change. But I feel that I rest easier knowing with certainty that my oil is genuine and actually is 10w60, not some cheap substitute of the wrong grade and composition.
I do track days in my 4.6 turbo Chimaera, and also do a fair amount of mileage. I used to buy Shell Racing 10w60 off Ebay from Germany (though the geezer is probably Czech to judge by his name) in 20 litre barrels for £110 delivered.
It always seemed fine, but my engine did overheat on one occasion and basically ended up as scrap 18 months ago (it warped the block).
I am in no way blaming the oil, I have no proof, but the barrel never seemed to be the same exact colour or label twice running, and with the number of fake car parts out there (try getting a genuine Bosch or NGK anything off Ebay) I just started to wonder if it was a risk too far?
I now buy my Valvolive VR Racing 10w60 from my local branch of Allwoods (other brilliant local car parts places are available at a town near you), at £37 for 5 litres, so for 10 litres it is about £20 more than the Shell. My car has an extended sump, so takes 9 litres per change. But I feel that I rest easier knowing with certainty that my oil is genuine and actually is 10w60, not some cheap substitute of the wrong grade and composition.
I did consider the possibility that the oil may not be genuine before purchasing
I decided that the profit margin would probably not make it worthwhile
I've also checked the packaging in some detail without finding anything untoward
However, it may well be worth contacting Penrite to check whether there are any known cases of their oil being counterfeit
I will also ask whether there are any identifying markings, I will see what they say
I decided that the profit margin would probably not make it worthwhile
I've also checked the packaging in some detail without finding anything untoward
However, it may well be worth contacting Penrite to check whether there are any known cases of their oil being counterfeit
I will also ask whether there are any identifying markings, I will see what they say
Classic Oils based at Bicester Heritage are the UK agent for Penrite Oils having recently taken over from Forest Oils, many companies sell Penrite in the UK but when the oil lands from Australia it will have gone to Classic Oils first. I have used Penrite oil extensively since they first entered the UK market in the early 90's and I was involved in classic and vintage car restoration, we sold it as well as used it in hard driven hot as hell Healeys so I can confirm it's a proven product.
Indeed 25 years later Adam still sells it:
http://penriteclassicoils.co.uk/stockist-locator/
http://www.adamsautomotive.co.uk/
Back in their home land of Australia Penrite have been in the engine lubrication business for over 90 years, in the last 30 years or more they have been offering a comprehensive range of high quality specialist lubricants targeted at the classic and vintage car market.
I would treat any unofficially imported Penrite oil with serious suspicion especially if the price is too good to be true which it clearly is in this case! Penrite ferociously protect their brand and the quality of their products, I also know for a fact that they frown on suppliers heavily discounting their oils as this practice devalues their brand.
If you're into saving a few quid and playing Russian Roulette with your engine then this Czech sourced oil being sold on eBay may well be a bargain, on the other hand it may be anything in those barrels so could easily cost you a lot more than a £4 per litre saving over the genuine 'know origins' product, how much do Powers charge these days for an AJP8 rebuild anyway
Prenrite oils are truly excellent quality but to be 100% sure you're getting the real thing I strongly advise only buying it through the UK agent Classic Oils, you can buy genuine Penrite oil from many UK resellers but it all will have originally come from Classic Oils so you may as well go to them direct.
https://www.classic-oils.net/All-Products-by-Manuf...
Indeed 25 years later Adam still sells it:
http://penriteclassicoils.co.uk/stockist-locator/
http://www.adamsautomotive.co.uk/
Back in their home land of Australia Penrite have been in the engine lubrication business for over 90 years, in the last 30 years or more they have been offering a comprehensive range of high quality specialist lubricants targeted at the classic and vintage car market.
I would treat any unofficially imported Penrite oil with serious suspicion especially if the price is too good to be true which it clearly is in this case! Penrite ferociously protect their brand and the quality of their products, I also know for a fact that they frown on suppliers heavily discounting their oils as this practice devalues their brand.
If you're into saving a few quid and playing Russian Roulette with your engine then this Czech sourced oil being sold on eBay may well be a bargain, on the other hand it may be anything in those barrels so could easily cost you a lot more than a £4 per litre saving over the genuine 'know origins' product, how much do Powers charge these days for an AJP8 rebuild anyway
Prenrite oils are truly excellent quality but to be 100% sure you're getting the real thing I strongly advise only buying it through the UK agent Classic Oils, you can buy genuine Penrite oil from many UK resellers but it all will have originally come from Classic Oils so you may as well go to them direct.
https://www.classic-oils.net/All-Products-by-Manuf...
QBee said:
And now an alternative opinion:
I do track days in my 4.6 turbo Chimaera, and also do a fair amount of mileage. I used to buy Shell Racing 10w60 off Ebay from Germany (though the geezer is probably Czech to judge by his name) in 20 litre barrels for £110 delivered.
It always seemed fine, but my engine did overheat on one occasion and basically ended up as scrap 18 months ago (it warped the block).
I am in no way blaming the oil, I have no proof, but the barrel never seemed to be the same exact colour or label twice running, and with the number of fake car parts out there (try getting a genuine Bosch or NGK anything off Ebay) I just started to wonder if it was a risk too far?
I now buy my Valvolive VR Racing 10w60 from my local branch of Allwoods (other brilliant local car parts places are available at a town near you), at £37 for 5 litres, so for 10 litres it is about £20 more than the Shell. My car has an extended sump, so takes 9 litres per change. But I feel that I rest easier knowing with certainty that my oil is genuine and actually is 10w60, not some cheap substitute of the wrong grade and composition.
Interesting and something you can’t help but wonder about. The Shell oil you’d think would have coped with your few track days but maybe the engine got overly hot and the gauge didn’t register it, you’d think if it got hot enough to warp the block your cooling system would have hissed like a good un or you’d have heard serious noises as the engine cooled and contracted. I do track days in my 4.6 turbo Chimaera, and also do a fair amount of mileage. I used to buy Shell Racing 10w60 off Ebay from Germany (though the geezer is probably Czech to judge by his name) in 20 litre barrels for £110 delivered.
It always seemed fine, but my engine did overheat on one occasion and basically ended up as scrap 18 months ago (it warped the block).
I am in no way blaming the oil, I have no proof, but the barrel never seemed to be the same exact colour or label twice running, and with the number of fake car parts out there (try getting a genuine Bosch or NGK anything off Ebay) I just started to wonder if it was a risk too far?
I now buy my Valvolive VR Racing 10w60 from my local branch of Allwoods (other brilliant local car parts places are available at a town near you), at £37 for 5 litres, so for 10 litres it is about £20 more than the Shell. My car has an extended sump, so takes 9 litres per change. But I feel that I rest easier knowing with certainty that my oil is genuine and actually is 10w60, not some cheap substitute of the wrong grade and composition.
It’s a conundrum for sure. I think you’ve taken a wise choice and as Dave puts it, for a few quid saved is it worth the risk.
I once worked with a guy from Bulgaria who was an oils sales rep over there, he was no builder put it that way lol, he told me why he left his home as he clearly loved his family and country, he said gangsters had gotten in on the market and forced him to pay a protection racket in effect to keep his contract with a well known oils company, he said he felt in constant danger, how true that is is another question but I believed him at the time! So it sounds like some dodgy things are going on in less regulated countries but it’s all guess work.
Too heavy and unnecessarily zinc rich for an AJP6 or 8, but perfect for the old flat tappet Rover V8 in my Chimaera, HPR15 is a fully-synthetic 15W60 "full zinc" (1050 ppm) quality engine oil available from Classic Oils at just £33.00 for 5 litres
Penrite offer some exceptional lubricants especially if your engine is from the past, lighter weights suitable for the Cerbera 6 & 8 are available that still come with the 'Extra Ten' technology and a really comprehensive additive package other brands of engine oils miss out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkDvfrCQZpY
Penrite offer some exceptional lubricants especially if your engine is from the past, lighter weights suitable for the Cerbera 6 & 8 are available that still come with the 'Extra Ten' technology and a really comprehensive additive package other brands of engine oils miss out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkDvfrCQZpY
ChimpOnGas said:
Too heavy and unnecessarily zinc rich for an AJP6 or 8, but perfect for the old flat tappet Rover V8 in my Chimaera, HPR15 is a fully-synthetic 15W60 "full zinc" (1050 ppm) quality engine oil available from Classic Oils at just £33.00 for 5 litres
Except the AJP8 is an old world flat tappet engine, so the full zinc HPR10 is idealSadly Classic Oils do charge for shipping, so that makes it £40 for 5L
Theoretically the AJP 8 will operate to tighter tolerances than my baggy but dependable old Rover V8, this and the fact you need to move the oil up higher on an overhead cam engine mean I wouldn't recommend my HPR15 for an AJP 8, it's just a little too heavy but it is ideal in my Chimaera's engine.
A Cerbera needs a lighter oil than my 15w60 HPR15, the lighter weight HPR10 (10w50) linked by the OP in this post is indeed ideal and a superb quality oil, but is it the genuine article? If you want to be sure you're buying genuine Penrite HPR10 I recommend going to Classic Oils who are the official UK importer of Penrite oils.
https://www.classic-oils.net/Penrite-HPR-10
The theory behind Penrite's 'Extra 10' technology is you can enjoy a wider range of operation between the winter rating of each grade offered and it's summer rating, so where you may ordinarily select a 10w40 you can use the Penrite 'Extra Ten' oil rated at 10w50. The advantage being the 'Extra Ten' technology offers the additional protection of a 50 weight oil in the summer and when the engine is working the oil hard under hot running conditions (which is not just in the summer by the way), but it still retains the 'in grade' winter flow characteristics of a 10 weight engine oil.
This makes it ideal for hard worked hot running engines and is why it worked so well in classics like the rally and race prepared Healey 3000s we used this oil in for years, it should also make it perfect for a Cerbera. Now study the additive package you get with the HPR range and you'll see Penrite are serious about reducing loaded surface engine wear, sludge, and carbon build up. Keeping that carbon suspended in the oil is especially challenging in older engines because of their rich running characteristics when compared with modern petrol engines that are all running about everywhere at stoich or leaner.
In older carb fed engines or TVRs where richer air fuel rations are often seen fuel contamination and so oil dilution can become a real issue, after a few thousand miles your 10w40 may well be more a kin to 5w30 so another good reason to start with the 'Extra Ten' advantage Penrite HPR oils offer.
Five litres of genuine HR10 is £33 which if you consider it's a fully synthetic that comes with one of the best additive packages on the market is exceptional value for money, yes there's shipping on top of that but if you attend one of the many Bicester Heritage events you can pick up your Penrite lubricants from Classic Oils in person and save the postage, at the same time you can enjoy a great petrol head's paradise day out at the world's best served centre of excellence for all things restoration/maintenance of classic and vintage automobiles.
That's got to be better than playing Russian Roulette on eBay buying oil from the Czech Republic that you'll never really be sure is the real deal... or not
A Cerbera needs a lighter oil than my 15w60 HPR15, the lighter weight HPR10 (10w50) linked by the OP in this post is indeed ideal and a superb quality oil, but is it the genuine article? If you want to be sure you're buying genuine Penrite HPR10 I recommend going to Classic Oils who are the official UK importer of Penrite oils.
https://www.classic-oils.net/Penrite-HPR-10
The theory behind Penrite's 'Extra 10' technology is you can enjoy a wider range of operation between the winter rating of each grade offered and it's summer rating, so where you may ordinarily select a 10w40 you can use the Penrite 'Extra Ten' oil rated at 10w50. The advantage being the 'Extra Ten' technology offers the additional protection of a 50 weight oil in the summer and when the engine is working the oil hard under hot running conditions (which is not just in the summer by the way), but it still retains the 'in grade' winter flow characteristics of a 10 weight engine oil.
This makes it ideal for hard worked hot running engines and is why it worked so well in classics like the rally and race prepared Healey 3000s we used this oil in for years, it should also make it perfect for a Cerbera. Now study the additive package you get with the HPR range and you'll see Penrite are serious about reducing loaded surface engine wear, sludge, and carbon build up. Keeping that carbon suspended in the oil is especially challenging in older engines because of their rich running characteristics when compared with modern petrol engines that are all running about everywhere at stoich or leaner.
In older carb fed engines or TVRs where richer air fuel rations are often seen fuel contamination and so oil dilution can become a real issue, after a few thousand miles your 10w40 may well be more a kin to 5w30 so another good reason to start with the 'Extra Ten' advantage Penrite HPR oils offer.
Five litres of genuine HR10 is £33 which if you consider it's a fully synthetic that comes with one of the best additive packages on the market is exceptional value for money, yes there's shipping on top of that but if you attend one of the many Bicester Heritage events you can pick up your Penrite lubricants from Classic Oils in person and save the postage, at the same time you can enjoy a great petrol head's paradise day out at the world's best served centre of excellence for all things restoration/maintenance of classic and vintage automobiles.
That's got to be better than playing Russian Roulette on eBay buying oil from the Czech Republic that you'll never really be sure is the real deal... or not
Fortunately the Penrite site is very helpful
http://www.penriteoil.co.nz/europe_locator.php?cou...
The www.penriteoil.cz link shown takes you directly to the eBay vendor from whom I purchased
Of course the website could have been hacked, but that would be one of the most elaborate counterfeiting operations imaginable
Therefore I am confident that the oil I bought at half price is genuine, and from an official Penrite stockist
http://www.penriteoil.co.nz/europe_locator.php?cou...
The www.penriteoil.cz link shown takes you directly to the eBay vendor from whom I purchased
Of course the website could have been hacked, but that would be one of the most elaborate counterfeiting operations imaginable
Therefore I am confident that the oil I bought at half price is genuine, and from an official Penrite stockist
ukkid35 said:
Fortunately the Penrite site is very helpful
http://www.penriteoil.co.nz/europe_locator.php?cou...
The www.penriteoil.cz link shown takes you directly to the eBay vendor from whom I purchased
Of course the website could have been hacked, but that would be one of the most elaborate counterfeiting operations imaginable
Therefore I am confident that the oil I bought at half price is genuine, and from an official Penrite stockist
That's good news, I wonder if Penrite know how heavily he's discounting their brand http://www.penriteoil.co.nz/europe_locator.php?cou...
The www.penriteoil.cz link shown takes you directly to the eBay vendor from whom I purchased
Of course the website could have been hacked, but that would be one of the most elaborate counterfeiting operations imaginable
Therefore I am confident that the oil I bought at half price is genuine, and from an official Penrite stockist
Glad you have found an apparently sound source, OP. Good news.
Doesn't mean my Shell source was genuine, doesn't mean he wasn't.
I am glad I made you all think about this issue anyway, and thanks to Chimpongas for his detailed and useful input..
There is far too much fakery going on in the car parts market now.
When I was upgrading my fuel pump last year I did the usual Ebay searches for a Bosch 044 pump.
Some very keen prices out there. Eventually I found one I thought was genuine......at about £135. I dismissed the £90 pumps as likely fake.
I checked with my trusty local auto parts shop and they sourced me the same part for £122, and guaranteed it was genuine Bosch direct from Bosch.
The other point here - I did have a problem with the new fuel pump being excessively noisy when the fuel was hot, but my local supplier believed me without question and sourced me a second one before i had even got the faulty one off the car, so that i wouldn't have the car off the road because of the faulty part. So I am coming full circle and am buying parts that matter from a trusted local supplier these days.
Doesn't mean my Shell source was genuine, doesn't mean he wasn't.
I am glad I made you all think about this issue anyway, and thanks to Chimpongas for his detailed and useful input..
There is far too much fakery going on in the car parts market now.
When I was upgrading my fuel pump last year I did the usual Ebay searches for a Bosch 044 pump.
Some very keen prices out there. Eventually I found one I thought was genuine......at about £135. I dismissed the £90 pumps as likely fake.
I checked with my trusty local auto parts shop and they sourced me the same part for £122, and guaranteed it was genuine Bosch direct from Bosch.
The other point here - I did have a problem with the new fuel pump being excessively noisy when the fuel was hot, but my local supplier believed me without question and sourced me a second one before i had even got the faulty one off the car, so that i wouldn't have the car off the road because of the faulty part. So I am coming full circle and am buying parts that matter from a trusted local supplier these days.
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