Anyone Know This Cerbera?
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Yes I read about your Supersport on MBClub, very nice. The CLS is a modern day Cerb, well that’s how I like to think about it haha!
I bought and sold mine between 2003-2006, prices back then were much lower than today. Yes sold my silver 4.5 for what was an excellent price back in 2006, but would get double and then some now.
Good luck with the decision making.
I bought and sold mine between 2003-2006, prices back then were much lower than today. Yes sold my silver 4.5 for what was an excellent price back in 2006, but would get double and then some now.
Good luck with the decision making.
rockits said:
Just found a Wheeler Dealers on Quest HD now. Funnily enough on the TVR Cerbera!
He bought this one for £8k. How times and prices have changed then.
yeah but that needed a new chassis for which he paid very little for. Mine cost me £4.5k for replacing the outriggers with a full body off, then another £3k in parts, because you might as well replace everything whilst it's completely apart...He bought this one for £8k. How times and prices have changed then.
rockits said:
I'm all over the shop with this TVR change at the moment. All I know is a have a nice enough Chimaera that is causing me zero grief and doesn't owe me silly money.
Seems like any direction Info in is likely to cost me more day one and more to run jus trying to work out if the change is worth the extra cash and hassle.
Why the change then?Seems like any direction Info in is likely to cost me more day one and more to run jus trying to work out if the change is worth the extra cash and hassle.
Chim is a good looker, makes decent noise, goes quick and is a good entry point as they are cheap to run.
When I was looking for my Cerbera I was advised they cost £3k a year to run, so I put £250 away a month into a savings account.
13 years on, it's not cost me that much, even with a full body off rebuild and a full engine rebuild, but it's not a bad idea to put that money into a pot as some items can cost.
AJP's don't need frequent rebuilds like speed 6's did. Mine got a rebuild because the valve guides were worn and then ended up with a full rebuild just because it was apart...
Byker28i said:
yeah but that needed a new chassis for which he paid very little for. Mine cost me £4.5k for replacing the outriggers with a full body off, then another £3k in parts, because you might as well replace everything whilst it's completely apart...
It was indeed a shocker. Must have been one of the worst ones. Looks like Fernhurst had it for sale after that in Jan 2017. The episode looks like March 2013 ish.Funny how the car went from £8k to £14k to circa £22k when with Fernhurst. Wonder what it sold for.
I think this is the issue I personally have with many cars and I just can't see to get over it in my head. More so with old classics. I find it hard to pay £20k for something that was £10k a few years back. I know prices change and I don't buy art or anything similar for the same reason.
I am an old school kind of person and like to see value, logic and fundamentals. I can understand the WD Cerbera being worth £14k from £8k after the work that was done. However unless further substantial works were completed how does it become a £22k car?
I am OK with a nice Chimaera 400 at £10-£15k. Maybe up to £20k for a nice 500. I am just struggling to see some near 100k mile Griffith 500's at £25-£30k and the like.
phazed said:
There is a rebuild thread on the red car somewhere. It has been fully rebuilt from memory.
There is. I have read a fair bit of it already. It was quite a job!I would be fine paying what the seller of that red one is asking for it if it wasn't red and was a colour I could live with. Once I budget for a respray I am finding it hard for it to make sense in my head.
Byker28i said:
Why the change then?
Chim is a good looker, makes decent noise, goes quick and is a good entry point as they are cheap to run.
When I was looking for my Cerbera I was advised they cost £3k a year to run, so I put £250 away a month into a savings account.
13 years on, it's not cost me that much, even with a full body off rebuild and a full engine rebuild, but it's not a bad idea to put that money into a pot as some items can cost.
AJP's don't need frequent rebuilds like speed 6's did. Mine got a rebuild because the valve guides were worn and then ended up with a full rebuild just because it was apart...
Well that is the question isn't it. I guess we all go through this and do some rational then some irrational things.Chim is a good looker, makes decent noise, goes quick and is a good entry point as they are cheap to run.
When I was looking for my Cerbera I was advised they cost £3k a year to run, so I put £250 away a month into a savings account.
13 years on, it's not cost me that much, even with a full body off rebuild and a full engine rebuild, but it's not a bad idea to put that money into a pot as some items can cost.
AJP's don't need frequent rebuilds like speed 6's did. Mine got a rebuild because the valve guides were worn and then ended up with a full rebuild just because it was apart...
I am more than happy to spend money on cars to run them and keep them nice. I don't find it fun throwing lots of good money away for not such good reason. I am not a millionaire with money coming out of my ears so have to be a little careful on being too extravagant.
Most of the cars I buy and have ever bought always seem to offer pretty good value for money. They often have some basis of fundamental sense. I am not a fan of depreciation and have worked hard doing pretty well to avoid it often. I don't see the fun in dropping good money on deprecation of cars. I work too hard to obtain the money in the first place to let it go again too easily
rockits said:
I'm 6ft.
I agree. I have always loved the shape of the Cerbera but never liked the idea of the AJP engines. They seems expensive to run in comparison to a RV8 based car.
I guess a Cerbera owner will say they are great but a little unsure. No such thing as a cheap TVR.
Have you driven a Cerb yet? The AJP8 is a completely different animal to the RV8. For many Cerb owners I think its fair to say the AJP8 is the whole reason to own a one, it's a fast revving race style engine without the lazy V8 torque the RV8 produces. I've not driven the Speed 6 so can't comment.I agree. I have always loved the shape of the Cerbera but never liked the idea of the AJP engines. They seems expensive to run in comparison to a RV8 based car.
I guess a Cerbera owner will say they are great but a little unsure. No such thing as a cheap TVR.
I still miss my old Griff for the roof down lazy drive with the wife but I couldn't part with the Cerb, its such a visceral experience.
My wife hates the Cerb and generally doesn't go in it much, when she does I find it not the best car to drive, it doesn't like low revs, low speed.
That doesn't mean I drive like a tool all the time but for me the Griff/Chim and Cerb are very different driving experiences.
Edited by Mags on Wednesday 7th August 08:56
Mags said:
Have you driven a Cerb yet? The AJP8 is a completely different animal to the RV8. For many Cerb owners I think its fair to say the AJP8 is the whole reason to own a one, it's a fast revving race style engine without the lazy V8 torque the RV8 produces. I've not driven the Speed 6 so can't comment.
I still miss my old Griff for the roof down lazy drive with the wife but I couldn't part with the Cerb, its such a visceral experience.
My wife hates the Cerb and generally doesn't go in it much, when she does I find it not the best car to drive, it doesn't like low revs, low speed.
That doesn't mean I drive like a tool all the time but for me the Griff/Chim and Cerb are very different driving experiences.
Thanks. That is good to know. No I have not driven a Cerbera or AJP V8 yet. I have driven a few 400 Chimaera's and a Tuscan Speed 6. I liked the Tuscan and Speed 6 but didn't get a chance to really open the taps.I still miss my old Griff for the roof down lazy drive with the wife but I couldn't part with the Cerb, its such a visceral experience.
My wife hates the Cerb and generally doesn't go in it much, when she does I find it not the best car to drive, it doesn't like low revs, low speed.
That doesn't mean I drive like a tool all the time but for me the Griff/Chim and Cerb are very different driving experiences.
Edited by Mags on Wednesday 7th August 08:56
I am not sure a Cerbera AJP would be up my street by the sound of it then as I quite like the RV8 nature with the Chimaera. I guess I should get out there and drive one to keep it on the list or chalk it off.
spitfire4v8 said:
It's a cerbera for 13k .. even if you do like I did with a similar value car and you end up spending 10k on it then it's a very very nice cerbera with all the right bits done (chassis work, engine) for 23k all of a sudden.
What's not to like ?
This man talks sense!What's not to like ?
Hope you’re well Joolz
Cyclone1 said:
Yes I read about your Supersport on MBClub, very nice. The CLS is a modern day Cerb, well that’s how I like to think about it haha!
I bought and sold mine between 2003-2006, prices back then were much lower than today. Yes sold my silver 4.5 for what was an excellent price back in 2006, but would get double and then some now.
Good luck with the decision making.
Ah, I see. I'll keep an eye out for on MBClubUK then. I take it the CLS63 is a 218?I bought and sold mine between 2003-2006, prices back then were much lower than today. Yes sold my silver 4.5 for what was an excellent price back in 2006, but would get double and then some now.
Good luck with the decision making.
Not been on there so much recently as been spending lots of TVR time and also on SportsMaserati quite a bit. I just sold my 211 E55K Estate a while back and more recently my R129 SL500 so am Merc less at the moment.
The XJL SS is certainly a cracking car. Just couldn't stretch to a CLS63 at the time and found I wanted something newer than the CLS55K.
Mags said:
For many Cerb owners I think its fair to say the AJP8 is the whole reason to own a one, it's a fast revving race style engine without the lazy V8 torque the RV8 produces. I've not driven the Speed 6 so can't comment.
I test drove both a 4.5 and Speed 6 Cerbera, and I actually preferred the Speed 6 engine because it felt a little bit more sophisticated/smoother and more free revving. I really wanted a V8 though so I went for the V8 4.5 instead. The AJP8 is unique to the Cerbera and that certainly adds to the appeal as you say.
spitfire4v8 said:
It's a cerbera for 13k .. even if you do like I did with a similar value car and you end up spending 10k on it then it's a very very nice cerbera with all the right bits done (chassis work, engine) for 23k all of a sudden.
What's not to like ?
I do agree but either getting too old or lacking the motivation to be trawling halfway around the country to buy a car these days. It is a whole day and time isn't currently my friend.What's not to like ?
I can't see it would be too disastrous to take a punt on the Cerb @ £13k ish but the seller isn't responding to me now! I guess I rubbed him up the wrong way with my blind offer.
Blind low offers will do the trick
If you buy a car cheap which requires work, suddenly a year goes by having that work done and that’s a year missed.
Many on here will agree with that.
Sometimes it’s worth paying more for something that is already done especially if it is well documented or on a known car.
If you buy a car cheap which requires work, suddenly a year goes by having that work done and that’s a year missed.
Many on here will agree with that.
Sometimes it’s worth paying more for something that is already done especially if it is well documented or on a known car.
rockits said:
Ah, I see. I'll keep an eye out for on MBClubUK then. I take it the CLS63 is a 218?
Not been on there so much recently as been spending lots of TVR time and also on SportsMaserati quite a bit. I just sold my 211 E55K Estate a while back and more recently my R129 SL500 so am Merc less at the moment.
The XJL SS is certainly a cracking car. Just couldn't stretch to a CLS63 at the time and found I wanted something newer than the CLS55K.
Yes it’s a 218 CLS63 with TTE900 turbo upgrade. Amazing car and my third CLS having had two 219 CLS55’s.Not been on there so much recently as been spending lots of TVR time and also on SportsMaserati quite a bit. I just sold my 211 E55K Estate a while back and more recently my R129 SL500 so am Merc less at the moment.
The XJL SS is certainly a cracking car. Just couldn't stretch to a CLS63 at the time and found I wanted something newer than the CLS55K.
Time out! Take your mercs to that forum, cheeky
OP, think you should drive one first they tend not to be happiest at low revs.
As for a chim, I'd personally avoid the 400 unless you're going to FI it. 450 ticks all the boxes and the parts are bog standard LR parts. 430 BV is also good but older style. The chimaera forum is also more active so more feedback.
Don't impulse purchase, take your time. Go to a meet & greet so you can see them and I'm sure someone will take you for a spin.
OP, think you should drive one first they tend not to be happiest at low revs.
As for a chim, I'd personally avoid the 400 unless you're going to FI it. 450 ticks all the boxes and the parts are bog standard LR parts. 430 BV is also good but older style. The chimaera forum is also more active so more feedback.
Don't impulse purchase, take your time. Go to a meet & greet so you can see them and I'm sure someone will take you for a spin.
Chimp871 said:
If they're being funny about an indy visit then I personally would walk.
The worst scenario is the engine has a problem like crank failing etc. These engines don't exist on the market, or rarely come up.
Amost all of us owners on here would not object to a known indy inspection, we recommend it enough for new tvr owners.
Cranks don't gradually fail. There is no warning. It is mainly the earliest small journal cranks anyway. They updated them with extra counterweight, but the reputation was already damaged.The worst scenario is the engine has a problem like crank failing etc. These engines don't exist on the market, or rarely come up.
Amost all of us owners on here would not object to a known indy inspection, we recommend it enough for new tvr owners.
Edited by Chimp871 on Tuesday 6th August 21:34
rockits said:
Thanks, I will have a browse through tonight.
I think I have really wound the seller up now! I asked a couple of quick basic questions and found out the car is Rochdale miles from me. I offered to take a punt on the car for a lower price than he has it advertised for and it was a firm no.
When I asked if I could bring up a TVR Specialist with me to view the car and do an inspection it all went a bit funny. He told me to forget it and won't respond to my messages now.
Either a character clash and I have rubbed him up the wrong way or maybe the car has something to hide. Seemed a decent enough example that the seller has had for 3 years. A bit odd.
Tbh, @13k the car is ridiculously cheap and should be viewed as a project. For a running, driving MOT'd Cerb for that money I'm not remotely surprised you got a straight no.I think I have really wound the seller up now! I asked a couple of quick basic questions and found out the car is Rochdale miles from me. I offered to take a punt on the car for a lower price than he has it advertised for and it was a firm no.
When I asked if I could bring up a TVR Specialist with me to view the car and do an inspection it all went a bit funny. He told me to forget it and won't respond to my messages now.
Either a character clash and I have rubbed him up the wrong way or maybe the car has something to hide. Seemed a decent enough example that the seller has had for 3 years. A bit odd.
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