Warning sensible thread... cerbera SC500 what do you think?

Warning sensible thread... cerbera SC500 what do you think?

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classic105

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15 posts

70 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I know, it is very sensible and not for the purist.

i'm totaly agree with their thought (cerbera without AJP or sp6 isn't really a cerbera...)....

BUT.... nevertheless, what do you think about a TVR cerbera with a TVR 500 supercharged engine/powertrain? (a chimaera SC500 engine)

It could be close in power, perhaps better in torque, very good sound TOO, very useable and maintenance wise could be less expensive.

But less free revving and could uppset the chassis weight balance a bit (don't now really the real life weight difference between the 2 engines fully dressed).

best regards

camel_landy

4,863 posts

182 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Would it fit?

M

classic105

Original Poster:

15 posts

70 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Yes seems someone already done it with an NA rv8 500 for a daily driver Cerbera.
Seems to be few mods to the chassis, but don't know more.

O mage

229 posts

46 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Why would you want to? You will have all the faf and expense when the AJP for one is a very unique very capable race engine and the way it fires is down to its geometry and the flat crank it fires into the exhaust aswell which is where the magic happens. The aerodynamics that Clarkson mentions in that standing mile video are in the engine and that gap to 2nd place Porsche was just getting bigger. BHP and aerodynamics make for a very efficient air pump. Ferrari wouldnt turn up because it was a straight line wide open throttle test. Im pretty sure it would be hard to beat even now. A very Special engine.

Zeb74

375 posts

128 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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If this is not a plug and play transformation, why not having a look to Chevy V8? If it requires the same amount of modifications to make it fit, you will have a more modern engine than the old RV8 (ok still with pushrods).

itsallyellow

3,661 posts

219 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I have the perfect donor vehicle for you if you want to do this.

I have A JE S560 Range Rover P38a. It used to be my tow vehicle for the race cars.

Stopped using it as I got a newer Range Rover.

Mike

Jhonno

5,762 posts

140 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Sounds s bit pants to me.. laugh

Mr Cerbera

5,031 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Hey !

You gotta do something during the Lockdown....

Go fot it !

(Oh, and while you're at it, I'll have that low-performance, 'block-of-alloy-filled-with-steel-inserts' off you thumbup)

mk1fan

10,509 posts

224 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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I wouldn't bother with the RV8 for a V8 swap. I'd go LS.

Jhonno

5,762 posts

140 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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mk1fan said:
I wouldn't bother with the RV8 for a V8 swap. I'd go LS.
This. Or be original and get a Coyote or Voodoo..

camel_landy

4,863 posts

182 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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mk1fan said:
I wouldn't bother with the RV8 for a V8 swap. I'd go LS.
^^^ This...

If my AJP goes 'pop', I'd be looking at an LS3.

...the LS also makes using it as a daily driver, a very viable proposition.

M

TwinKam

2,938 posts

94 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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classic105 said:
Yes seems someone already done it with an NA rv8 500 for a daily driver Cerbera.
Seems to be few mods to the chassis, but don't know more.
There was a rather flaky pink (Rosso) one that kept coming up in searches when I was looking in early 2016. Think it was in the Hampshire or Wiltshire area. The seller claimed that it had a much modified RV8 and I believe that it was indeed done as a cheaper replacement for a wrecked AJP8. It had a modified bonnet too, but whether that was for cooling or clearance, I don't know.
Perhaps it or its owner is still around.

A and K Cerbera

17 posts

85 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Interesting question. I would ignore the haters and consider whether the end goal is worth the effort..
As for a Rover V8 in a Cerbera, I saw one for sale a few years ago.
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Macded made good power from his 4.5 Turbo Rover engine.







likewise Hiltonig developed an amazing 5.4L supercharged Rover V8, both in Chimaeras.

Good luck

TwinKam

2,938 posts

94 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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^^^ ...that's the one! I recognise the roof!
Looks a good fit actually, so the bonnet vents must've just been for cooling.


classic105

Original Poster:

15 posts

70 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Mr Cerbera said:
Hey !

You gotta do something during the Lockdown....

Go fot it !

(Oh, and while you're at it, I'll have that low-performance, 'block-of-alloy-filled-with-steel-inserts' off you thumbup)
Hi, i already done the complete body off rebuild of my Cerbera 4.5. Sandblasted châssis outriggers zinc and époxy powdercoating, all Wishbones, up rights and all nuts/bolts/washers during the lockdown.... Must do something.....

classic105

Original Poster:

15 posts

70 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Jhonno said:
This. Or be original and get a Coyote or Voodoo..
The coyote engine would be a very good option but perhaps too wide and gravier than the rv8.
But don't know if the Cerbera hadn't been a mule for the New Griffith to test this engine?

TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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I thought that this was going to be a 5.0 AJP supercharged. Have you seen this car:-
a1rak said:
Update on the recent work completed. Original BTR diff was getting noisey and clanking when braking and accellerating. I manage to borrow a 4 poster ramp so took the oppotunity to complete a lot of work.

Removed the diff and had a Quaiffe ATB LSD diff fitted whilst having the diff fully rebuilt by Competition transmission services. Also replaced all the diff mounting bushes at the same time which wear totally knackered.|https://thumbsnap.com/xJM2QT9H[/url]. I have no idea why this image keeps loading upside down so you will have to stand on your head to look at it.


I try and treat the chassis each year carefully with a wax based rust preventor so decided this year as I had a ramp to clean all the old stuff off and put new on. I was really pleased with the condition of the chassis, there are no signs of rust anywhere including the dreaded outriggers.

I also have upgraded the engine breather system to a twin outlet setup, the last single pipe one was too low on exiting the front timing cover so used to get quiet a bit of oil travelling up the pipes. This time I have taken the outlets from the top of each cam cover box and feed to a central tank. There is also a feed back to the sump that can be open and close with a valve. Looks much better and hopefully will work better too.


Fitted a genuine new clutch master cylinder and heat protected the pipe with thermal wrap all the way down to the gearbox.
serviced the whole car, new brake fluid, oil filter and supercharger belt. Removed the exhaust had it repacked and a couple of cracks repaired under warranty.

I have had a few short drives and diff is great no clunks and bangs. Clutch seems a bit lighter. Just need the weather to improve and take it out for a good spirited run.

TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

classic105

Original Poster:

15 posts

70 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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A and K Cerbera said:
Interesting question. I would ignore the haters and consider whether the end goal is worth the effort..
As for a Rover V8 in a Cerbera, I saw one for sale a few years ago.
.




Macded made good power from his 4.5 Turbo Rover engine.







likewise Hiltonig developed an amazing 5.4L supercharged Rover V8, both in Chimaeras.

Good luck
I admit it is an interesting point of view.

Many thanks for pictures.

The headers are not forward , perhaps it is possible and easier to use the forward headers of the chimaera.

Pretty impressive the BHP numbers but prefer the super charger route for less heat, better sound and lag free power.

Jhonno

5,762 posts

140 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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classic105 said:
Jhonno said:
This. Or be original and get a Coyote or Voodoo..
The coyote engine would be a very good option but perhaps too wide and gravier than the rv8.
But don't know if the Cerbera hadn't been a mule for the New Griffith to test this engine?
A Cerb was the test mule for the new Griff (called The Hound) and had the Coyote lump installed in it. They do fit.