Has anyone ever taken the roof off a cerbera.

Has anyone ever taken the roof off a cerbera.

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phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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Classic Chim said:
How many soft tops with a similar configuration would end up exactly the same if involved in what looks like a horrendously violent accident in the grotesque picture posted above.
You would be OK in most cars in the last 15 years or so.

Most have built in roll over hoops or the kind that fire up and lock as the car turns over.

One of the guys that worked for me had a right bd of a son. He stole their Megan CC, got chased by the Police and ended up turning it over off the bridge where Marc Bolan died in Barns. Walked and then ran away and avoided capture for a while. The car was a right mess. That was a fairly early car.

I didn't buy it particularly for the safety reason but it does spring to mind when I am pressing on in my Boxster.

FarmyardPants

4,108 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Gazzab

21,089 posts

282 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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This is silly....of course you could take the roof off a Cerbera. You would have to contend with the roll cage, have to strengthen the car as a result, you’d have to construct a convertible roof, it would cost a lot, it would look terrible, wouldn’t drive as well and would be less safe..... can’t think of a redeeming feature. The roof line of a Cerbera is probably it’s most important styling feature.

jazzybees

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824 posts

122 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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https://thumbsnap.com/0qmUSJUF


I hope that link shows a photo of a Cerbera facing a Chimaera
I’m not sure it would look terrible.
From the outside, it as similar stying to the chimaera.
But to me, it looks lower, wider, longer, and just more meatier, beefier, curvy, and awesome.


ukkid35

6,169 posts

173 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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jazzybees said:
https://thumbsnap.com/0qmUSJUF


I hope that link shows a photo of a Cerbera facing a Chimaera
I’m not sure it would look terrible.
From the outside, it as similar stying to the chimaera.
But to me, it looks lower, wider, longer, and just more meatier, beefier, curvy, and awesome.


MarkwG

4,847 posts

189 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Looking at those two - might be "easier" to stretch a Chimaera body onto a Cerbera chassis, swap the engine etc & add some back back seats in the space ahead of the tank...? wink

Gazzab

21,089 posts

282 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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jazzybees said:
https://thumbsnap.com/0qmUSJUF


I hope that link shows a photo of a Cerbera facing a Chimaera
I’m not sure it would look terrible.
From the outside, it as similar stying to the chimaera.
But to me, it looks lower, wider, longer, and just more meatier, beefier, curvy, and awesome.
You are wrong. It wouldn’t work / would look terrible. Why don’t you paint shop it or better still just get on with it and do it. I can then eat humble pie when you prove me wrong.

jazzybees

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824 posts

122 months

Monday 1st March 2021
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Ukkid35, thank you for highlighting the photo.(rather then going through the link.)
All I need now, is someone to photo shoot a Cerbera, without the roof on.
In the meantime.
Some one at TVR must have had a similar idea.
Because Tvr made a longer, courier, more rounded off version of the wedge, with 4 seats.
Back in 1989/90.
Called the Speed 8


mk1fan

10,516 posts

225 months

Monday 1st March 2021
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ukkid35 said:
That is the first Cerb I have seen that looks good with the quad head lights.

Targa panel would be good but I can't belp but think the rear screen will pop out biggrin (based upon TVR's usual level of engineering).

ChristAlmighty

74 posts

246 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Sorry if I’m resurrecting a dead thread here, but I love the idea of a Cerbera “spider” / convertible. I’ve been very fortunate owning quite a bit of exotica over the years - Lambo, Aston, McLaren etc. But I’m getting really tired of spending increasingly silly money not just on the purchase, but the on going servicing/running costs, not to mention the absolutely catastrophic depreciation!

There’s nothing really special about a factory-spec modern supercar… anyone with dough can buy one. What, as I’m getting older, I find more and more interesting, is something custom, unique… special. A TVR modernised, all faults fixed, retrimmed, engine wheels handling etc etc, to spec, see,s way way more exciting, probably at considerably less than half the price of a modern exotic. Plus all the fun of a manual, old-school driving experience.

So, that aside and let’s say cost no object (within reason), could a Cerb be made a spider - something along the lines of an Aston V12 Speedster I read about a few years back? So no need for a horrible folding fabric hood, nut maybe a separate hardtop (that could be fitted manually) so as to largely maintain the shape for winter driving? And no, I wouldn’t expect it could be stored in the car… this would be garage stored only.

Any thoughts on the above, gratefully entertained…!

Gazzab

21,089 posts

282 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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A modernised Cerbera eg with an LS7 engine, maybe add traction control, full retrim, electronic dash, electric handbrake, strengthened chassis etc would be great. Maybe flair the wings for some bigger rubber on light wheels.
As for the roof. Try Googling ‘pistonheads Cerbera convertible’ (or targa).
The original factory mock up in the mid 90s was a targa.
The issue is the roll cage.
if you speak to Brendan at concept performance. He has previously added a removable roof panel to a Cerbera. So he knows all about what’s possible. Here’s an article covering one of his projects:
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/05/05/tvr-tusc...

LLantrisant

996 posts

159 months

Wednesday 9th August 2023
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the general shape /design of the car with its longer doors and the low-profile glass (windscreen , side-screens etc) makes only sense with a roof.

the roof itselves is the key-point for the general appearance of the car.


CanoeSniffer

926 posts

87 months

Thursday 10th August 2023
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ChristAlmighty said:
There’s nothing really special about a factory-spec modern supercar… anyone with dough can buy one. What, as I’m getting older, I find more and more interesting, is something custom, unique… special. A TVR modernised, all faults fixed, retrimmed, engine wheels handling etc etc, to spec, see,s way way more exciting, probably at considerably less than half the price of a modern exotic. Plus all the fun of a manual, old-school driving experience.
Love the idea, totally share your thinking here, but I think a Cerb is the wrong starting point for this. Aside from the obvious roof issues, a Cerb already has IMO the closest thing to a perfect interior of all TVRs and where I think improvement could be made on most earlier cars or T cars or with the exception of the Tuscan mk3, I just can’t see how any custom work would improve a Cerb interior- it’s basically there already. All subjective though. You also can’t get much more custom or unique than an AJP engine.

Maybe I’m being too precious though, but do no other TVRs float your boat? T350T maybe? And then the roof issue isn’t an issue at all?

MikeE

1,826 posts

284 months

Thursday 10th August 2023
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CanoeSniffer said:
ChristAlmighty said:
There’s nothing really special about a factory-spec modern supercar… anyone with dough can buy one. What, as I’m getting older, I find more and more interesting, is something custom, unique… special. A TVR modernised, all faults fixed, retrimmed, engine wheels handling etc etc, to spec, see,s way way more exciting, probably at considerably less than half the price of a modern exotic. Plus all the fun of a manual, old-school driving experience.
Love the idea, totally share your thinking here, but I think a Cerb is the wrong starting point for this. Aside from the obvious roof issues, a Cerb already has IMO the closest thing to a perfect interior of all TVRs and where I think improvement could be made on most earlier cars or T cars or with the exception of the Tuscan mk3, I just can’t see how any custom work would improve a Cerb interior- it’s basically there already. All subjective though. You also can’t get much more custom or unique than an AJP engine.

Maybe I’m being too precious though, but do no other TVRs float your boat? T350T maybe? And then the roof issue isn’t an issue at all?
I had a 1962 E-type (so 30 years before the golden era of TVR started in 92 with the Griffith (which I also have biggrin), and there are many specialists who will keep the beautiful asthetics of the E-type but modernise the driving experience with electric power steering, better brakes, air conditioning, satnav, better seats, improved ventilation, improved cooling, mods to make for easier maintenance, better (electronic) ignition, fuel injection, ECU's etc. Any some or all of these upgrades are very popular with owners so they can enjoy their cars in the modern world without ruining the essence of the experience.

So I'm with you on this, where is the specialist who is going to offer a modernised Griff, Tuscan, Cerbera, Sagaris etc?

MarkwG

4,847 posts

189 months

Thursday 10th August 2023
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MikeE said:
CanoeSniffer said:
ChristAlmighty said:
There’s nothing really special about a factory-spec modern supercar… anyone with dough can buy one. What, as I’m getting older, I find more and more interesting, is something custom, unique… special. A TVR modernised, all faults fixed, retrimmed, engine wheels handling etc etc, to spec, see,s way way more exciting, probably at considerably less than half the price of a modern exotic. Plus all the fun of a manual, old-school driving experience.
Love the idea, totally share your thinking here, but I think a Cerb is the wrong starting point for this. Aside from the obvious roof issues, a Cerb already has IMO the closest thing to a perfect interior of all TVRs and where I think improvement could be made on most earlier cars or T cars or with the exception of the Tuscan mk3, I just can’t see how any custom work would improve a Cerb interior- it’s basically there already. All subjective though. You also can’t get much more custom or unique than an AJP engine.

Maybe I’m being too precious though, but do no other TVRs float your boat? T350T maybe? And then the roof issue isn’t an issue at all?
I had a 1962 E-type (so 30 years before the golden era of TVR started in 92 with the Griffith (which I also have biggrin), and there are many specialists who will keep the beautiful asthetics of the E-type but modernise the driving experience with electric power steering, better brakes, air conditioning, satnav, better seats, improved ventilation, improved cooling, mods to make for easier maintenance, better (electronic) ignition, fuel injection, ECU's etc. Any some or all of these upgrades are very popular with owners so they can enjoy their cars in the modern world without ruining the essence of the experience.

So I'm with you on this, where is the specialist who is going to offer a modernised Griff, Tuscan, Cerbera, Sagaris etc?
I think the beauty of the TVR world is that often the specialists & owners do that for themselves smile

MikeE

1,826 posts

284 months

Thursday 10th August 2023
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MarkwG said:
MikeE said:
CanoeSniffer said:
ChristAlmighty said:
There’s nothing really special about a factory-spec modern supercar… anyone with dough can buy one. What, as I’m getting older, I find more and more interesting, is something custom, unique… special. A TVR modernised, all faults fixed, retrimmed, engine wheels handling etc etc, to spec, see,s way way more exciting, probably at considerably less than half the price of a modern exotic. Plus all the fun of a manual, old-school driving experience.
Love the idea, totally share your thinking here, but I think a Cerb is the wrong starting point for this. Aside from the obvious roof issues, a Cerb already has IMO the closest thing to a perfect interior of all TVRs and where I think improvement could be made on most earlier cars or T cars or with the exception of the Tuscan mk3, I just can’t see how any custom work would improve a Cerb interior- it’s basically there already. All subjective though. You also can’t get much more custom or unique than an AJP engine.

Maybe I’m being too precious though, but do no other TVRs float your boat? T350T maybe? And then the roof issue isn’t an issue at all?
I had a 1962 E-type (so 30 years before the golden era of TVR started in 92 with the Griffith (which I also have biggrin), and there are many specialists who will keep the beautiful asthetics of the E-type but modernise the driving experience with electric power steering, better brakes, air conditioning, satnav, better seats, improved ventilation, improved cooling, mods to make for easier maintenance, better (electronic) ignition, fuel injection, ECU's etc. Any some or all of these upgrades are very popular with owners so they can enjoy their cars in the modern world without ruining the essence of the experience.

So I'm with you on this, where is the specialist who is going to offer a modernised Griff, Tuscan, Cerbera, Sagaris etc?
I think the beauty of the TVR world is that often the specialists & owners do that for themselves smile
True, but then there is a whole market out there for potential hands off owners who love the looks and sounds of a TVR but want something more user friend as a turn key proposition, that's whats evolved in the E-type market, and maybe will in the TVR market at some point

FarmyardPants

4,108 posts

218 months

Friday 11th August 2023
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Talking of which, a drive-in, drive out tilton slave conversion service would be great.

jazzybees

Original Poster:

824 posts

122 months

Friday 11th August 2023
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ChristAlmighty said:
Sorry if I’m resurrecting a dead thread here, but I love the idea of a Cerbera “spider” / convertible. I’ve been very fortunate owning quite a bit of exotica over the years - Lambo, Aston, McLaren etc. But I’m getting really tired of spending increasingly silly money not just on the purchase, but the on going servicing/running costs, not to mention the absolutely catastrophic depreciation!

There’s nothing really special about a factory-spec modern supercar… anyone with dough can buy one. What, as I’m getting older, I find more and more interesting, is something custom, unique… special. A TVR modernised, all faults fixed, retrimmed, engine wheels handling etc etc, to spec, see,s way way more exciting, probably at considerably less than half the price of a modern exotic. Plus all the fun of a manual, old-school driving experience.

So, that aside and let’s say cost no object (within reason), could a Cerb be made a spider - something along the lines of an Aston V12 Speedster I read about a few years back? So no need for a horrible folding fabric hood, nut maybe a separate hardtop (that could be fitted manually) so as to largely maintain the shape for winter driving? And no, I wouldn’t expect it could be stored in the car… this would be garage stored only.

Any thoughts on the above, gratefully entertained…!

Hi ChristAlmighty. definitely apologises not needed for resurrecting this thread.
It is great to see someone who also loves the idea of a Cerbera convertible.
Im sure it can be done.

Gazzab

21,089 posts

282 months

Friday 11th August 2023
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jazzybees said:

Hi ChristAlmighty. definitely apologises not needed for resurrecting this thread.
It is great to see someone who also loves the idea of a Cerbera convertible.
Im sure it can be done.
How would it be done?

ukkid35

6,169 posts

173 months

Saturday 12th August 2023
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MikeE said:
True, but then there is a whole market out there for potential hands off owners who love the looks and sounds of a TVR but want something more user friend as a turn key proposition, that's whats evolved in the E-type market, and maybe will in the TVR market at some point
I reckon that was Les Edgar's thinking