Original exhaust position

Original exhaust position

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Mr Cerbera

5,077 posts

239 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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pmessling said:
I've had a bar bolted between the two rear cans since I put them on. They used to move around a lot. Mine never had the centre mount either which I also added and made a big difference.

I took my H pipe out to fit my cats so had to cut the mid pipe mount out so need to make another, I'd forgotten how much wider than cats are and a pain to put back on.

Aha ! Now I understand why your exhaust brace didn't fit - You had no Cats to avoid !

Well done, Holmes laugh

pmessling

2,299 posts

212 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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My brace fitted fine with my cats put back in as well. Same one as what was sent to you. I still can't work out why.

It's not like chassis has changed. Or the engine position.

Rufus Roughcut

535 posts

184 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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Byker28i said:
That looks interesting. What part do you use to go from the rubber mount to the drop bolt - is that a nut welded on?


Mr Cerbera said:
Wow Roof,

That is some clean end.

Where did you acquire that Gold Paint for the Diff, if I may ask ?
Halfords - Hammerite Gold biggrin

cerb4.5lee said:
That is so lovely and clean! cloud9

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Cheers Lee thumbup

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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Rufus Roughcut said:
I've had two of those 90 degree threaded bars snap over the years, both very inconvenient.

This is the current setup, tie wraps around the hangers and reuse of some ford X flow head bolts biggrin 6 years in and it doesn't look like it's going to fail.

I'm going do this mod. My exhausts aren't at quite the same height and it's starting to annoy me....thanks for the idea! thumbup

TwinKam

3,186 posts

104 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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Yep that set-up just looks right, in a way that the bent studding simply doesn't; seems there was little consideration of the forces involved, I'm just amazed it lasted as long as it did!
Mine was different again, but I may well be copying Rufus' when it goes back on.

Byker28i

68,903 posts

226 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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Rufus Roughcut said:
Byker28i said:
That looks interesting. What part do you use to go from the rubber mount to the drop bolt - is that a nut welded on?
Excellent - cheers.

I'm wondering if I could simplify that. Use a bobbin style rubber mount onto the chassis, which connects to a U shaped bracket made of a decently thick bar. That then takes your straight bolt idea from the exhaust clamp into the bar to give the individual vertical height adjustment and a slotted hole in the bar to allow horizontal alignment

Minimal parts, but I guess the weak part would be the rubber bobbin not designed to take the loading that way?

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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Oh bloody hell on closer inspection yet another list of badly botched jobs to sort out!



Chassis brace is dented, silencers hanging down too far and scraped...heat shielding surface falling off.....the date when the body comes off the chassis is rapidly approaching. smash

Mr Cerbera

5,077 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th April 2021
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"Dented" ?, don't you mean Bespoke Fitted ?rofl

Actually Matt, do you really think that plate acts as a chassis brace ?

With its dimensions, I can't imagine it doing much bracing given the dimensions of the chassis tubes at that point ?

I though it was more a case of Exhaust Brace but would be interested in your opinions ?

(Tomato, Potato ? )

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Tuesday 27th April 2021
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Mr Cerbera said:
"Dented" ?, don't you mean Bespoke Fitted ?rofl

Actually Matt, do you really think that plate acts as a chassis brace ?

With its dimensions, I can't imagine it doing much bracing given the dimensions of the chassis tubes at that point ?

I though it was more a case of Exhaust Brace but would be interested in your opinions ?

(Tomato, Potato ? )
I assumed it was a tension element in the space frame. I’ve ordered a stainless one from Peter. With all the rust covered in waxoyl on my car I need something to be holding it together!

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Tuesday 27th April 2021
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Here’s my version of the mod. Exhausts now correctly spaced from body. Very pleased. hehe

Byker28i

68,903 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th April 2021
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Double nutted not nyloc?
Can't quite see - how do you go from the rubber mount to the flat bar. Did you weld the mount point that goes through the rubber straight to the bar?

I've bought some poly mounts, looking at stainless mounts to do something different, but I'm away for work for a bit, so I may return to a pile of bits biggrin

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Thursday 29th April 2021
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Byker28i said:
Double nutted not nyloc?
Can't quite see - how do you go from the rubber mount to the flat bar. Did you weld the mount point that goes through the rubber straight to the bar?

I've bought some poly mounts, looking at stainless mounts to do something different, but I'm away for work for a bit, so I may return to a pile of bits biggrin
It’s double nutted and the all-thread and nuts are stainless. The bar is 3mm thick angle (rectangular hollow section with 2 sides cut off) horizontal bolts through the rubbers are welded and have a washer and nylocs to retain in position. I don’t have the kit to weld stainless so it’s all mild steel. It looks a bit Heath Robinson but it’s a big improvement. bowtie



Byker28i

68,903 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th April 2021
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I agree a great improvement and I'm looking at doing similar now. Any stainless part would be a standard part bought in that someone would be selling

Mr Cerbera

5,077 posts

239 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Byker28i said:
I agree a great improvement and I'm looking at doing similar now. Any stainless part would be a standard part bought in that someone would be selling
Are you listening Mr. Essling ??

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Rufus Roughcut said:
I've had two of those 90 degree threaded bars snap over the years, both very inconvenient.

This is the current setup, tie wraps around the hangers and reuse of some ford X flow head bolts biggrin 6 years in and it doesn't look like it's going to fail.

Hey Rufus I'm not only impressed with the cleanliness of your car but also your scissor lift. As I'm planning a suspension overhaul this winter and don't fancy crawling round on my hands and knees for weeks I think it might have to be at the top of my Christmas lift...I mean list. You've got to have the right tools for the job right? What's the model you have? Any comments on it's suitability? scratchchin

pmessling

2,299 posts

212 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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That is something I can make people if they want them.

I make the clamp for the exhausts already, so if you didn't already have them could be included.

Rufus Roughcut

535 posts

184 months

Monday 3rd May 2021
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MattPlaneCrank said:
Hey Rufus I'm not only impressed with the cleanliness of your car but also your scissor lift. As I'm planning a suspension overhaul this winter and don't fancy crawling round on my hands and knees for weeks I think it might have to be at the top of my Christmas lift...I mean list. You've got to have the right tools for the job right? What's the model you have? Any comments on it's suitability? scratchchin
Hi Matt, there's a brief reply to a topic on scissor lifts here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

As mentioned there, it has its strengths and weaknesses, for me it hits the sweet spot.

I considered 4 poster, 2 poster, scissor, mid lift, tilting and single sided, in the end I chose the scissor as :

a)I'm a hobbiest, it isn't going to be used everyday.
b)When not in use I can't see it, so it doesn't get in the way.
c)The arms extend out to all 4 corners of the Cerb chassis.
d)Lifting those heavy spiders off at waist height is worth its weight in gold wink
e)Easy access to all suspension components.


The list goes on.....

Something like an oil change is easy, if you reverse on! here you can see the rams get in the way when driven on forwards.




The Cerb is too low to drive over it, so I made up some ramps, make sure its height allows the arms to swing out when it's fully down.



Byker28i

68,903 posts

226 months

Monday 3rd May 2021
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Mr Cerbera said:
Byker28i said:
I agree a great improvement and I'm looking at doing similar now. Any stainless part would be a standard part bought in that someone would be selling
Are you listening Mr. Essling ??
pmessling said:
That is something I can make people if they want them.

I make the clamp for the exhausts already, so if you didn't already have them could be included.
The ideas i had based on everyone else was;

The standard chassis mount to runner works OK.
I was looking at an L shaped bar to drop from the runners to the spacing bar, something like this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281482844780

Then a flat bar across as others have done and I like the idea of a simple bolt through the exhaust clamp to the bar allowing vertical adjustment. Either the hole in the bar would need to be accurately measured to align the exhaust correctly for the car, or perhaps slightly slotted/oval holes for the bolts from the clamps to allow for some horizontal adjustment to get everything aligned perfectly. Maybe grove around these slots to improve grip.

The rubber mounts seem to split frequently, possibly due to pressure of the exhaust not being aligned, so I've bought some poly mounts to see if they improve things. Not home for a few weeks so this will all have to wait...

MattPlaneCrank

107 posts

47 months

Monday 3rd May 2021
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Rufus Roughcut said:
Hi Matt, there's a brief reply to a topic on scissor lifts here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

As mentioned there, it has its strengths and weaknesses, for me it hits the sweet spot.

I considered 4 poster, 2 poster, scissor, mid lift, tilting and single sided, in the end I chose the scissor as :

a)I'm a hobbiest, it isn't going to be used everyday.
b)When not in use I can't see it, so it doesn't get in the way.
c)The arms extend out to all 4 corners of the Cerb chassis.
d)Lifting those heavy spiders off at waist height is worth its weight in gold wink
e)Easy access to all suspension components.


The list goes on.....

Something like an oil change is easy, if you reverse on! here you can see the rams get in the way when driven on forwards.




The Cerb is too low to drive over it, so I made up some ramps, make sure its height allows the arms to swing out when it's fully down.

Looks just the thing for the job! I might have to screw down a couple of steel strips though as those rollers look like they will crack the porcelain tiles on my garage floor. boxedin

I assume that yours is a CJ Autos CL02X? thumbup

Rufus Roughcut

535 posts

184 months

Monday 3rd May 2021
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MattPlaneCrank said:
Looks just the thing for the job! I might have to screw down a couple of steel strips though as those rollers look like they will crack the porcelain tiles on my garage floor. boxedin

I assume that yours is a CJ Autos CL02X? thumbup
Definitely you will need steel strips, I'm using them it's just they are not in the photo above, mine are 8mm thick.





Do a search for bhrepairs.co.uk , mine is the one in the pic below.

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