Dyno Disappointment
Discussion
Koo,
Sorry mate but you sound like a professional whinging tw@.
Admittedly your car sounds down but please trust me you will get much further with a dealer/manufacturer if you go about this in a less aggressive manner. You did say earlier you relished this kind of confrontation. (not direct quote as cant be arsed but the jist of your input)
Get off you soap box matey. I work in the motor trade (not tvr) and please trust me, it's hard work. Cars go wrong. We try and fix it. There's nothing we like more than dealing with a proper guy/gal who has a genuine problem and it's a satisfying feeling when it gets resolved.
One of the other contributors did quite rightly point out you could be prejudicing yourself against a future goodwill case..... and mate that could cost you thousands and thousands. Let the professionals try and if your not happy vote with your feet.
A Tiv is never going to do what's quoted on the tin, unlike a porker.
Now a few points.
I don't own a TVR, my mates do.
I own an '03 AC Cobra. Guess what... down on power too! But we spank everything in site, everything!
At the end of the day we paid peanuts for way over £100k performance so my mates and I laughingly suffer the foibles of these wonderful cars.
Sorry mate but you sound like a professional whinging tw@.
Admittedly your car sounds down but please trust me you will get much further with a dealer/manufacturer if you go about this in a less aggressive manner. You did say earlier you relished this kind of confrontation. (not direct quote as cant be arsed but the jist of your input)
Get off you soap box matey. I work in the motor trade (not tvr) and please trust me, it's hard work. Cars go wrong. We try and fix it. There's nothing we like more than dealing with a proper guy/gal who has a genuine problem and it's a satisfying feeling when it gets resolved.
One of the other contributors did quite rightly point out you could be prejudicing yourself against a future goodwill case..... and mate that could cost you thousands and thousands. Let the professionals try and if your not happy vote with your feet.
A Tiv is never going to do what's quoted on the tin, unlike a porker.
Now a few points.
I don't own a TVR, my mates do.
I own an '03 AC Cobra. Guess what... down on power too! But we spank everything in site, everything!
At the end of the day we paid peanuts for way over £100k performance so my mates and I laughingly suffer the foibles of these wonderful cars.
Yite said:
Big T,
Thx for the input dude, I'm going to try and make it to the Mid Essex meet this weekend If you are going.
Yeah I'm there. I usually meet at the Marriot Hotel at the Epping jct 26 on the M25 at 10:00 then head to the White Hart. Tag along if you like then I can show you what a Cerbera can do even though I don't have four hundred and twenty horses pulling me along!!
Contrary to what you may have thought you read; I’m not aggressive… well only to TW@S.
I have spoken to the dealer and the issue has pretty much been resolved in a non-aggressive manner (believe it or not), which incidentally I’m happy with.
I suggest you get ARSED and read ALL the above posts properly before you post nonsensically, because I would respectfully suggest after reading your post you have not.
With respect all of your points have sweet FA to do with the issue. What the hell was the point of this post?
Thx again all, I’ll let you guys know the outcome.
Koo
I have spoken to the dealer and the issue has pretty much been resolved in a non-aggressive manner (believe it or not), which incidentally I’m happy with.
I suggest you get ARSED and read ALL the above posts properly before you post nonsensically, because I would respectfully suggest after reading your post you have not.
With respect all of your points have sweet FA to do with the issue. What the hell was the point of this post?
Thx again all, I’ll let you guys know the outcome.
Koo
Koo, stick to your guns matey, your doing the right thing. I'm sure a huge majority of this forum are dying to see the outcome. I fail to see how anyone can find anything wrong with what you are doing or try to make a case against it. Sure the TVR will toast everything else on the road be it 300 or 400 bhp but thats nothing to do with it, nor has the point about expecting the bhp figure to be wrong with TVR's like their quality and just putting up with it, nor is the point of 'what do you expect fo less than 100K' I'd love to own a company that produces a product where the customers always wrong! Good luck.
Jamester: thx m8,
You know this is the first time I've ever posted anything like this on the web/forum. I did it because I love the car and I want it to do what it supposed to do. Why should I let someone dictate the car I drive due to false marketing? Or should I blame the faltered ones aka the spineless?
I got to thinking why should I give up on the car when the problem isn't the car, it's the manufacturers. If I/people are resolute, we will not be fearful (and I do mean fearful) in making a purchase in the future and we won't hear of stories like this and many others. And I’m not just talking about lack of power.
From what I have read on the forums, TVR has one of the worst if not the worst raps. I put it down to the faltered ones, some of them being in this forum.
Koo
You know this is the first time I've ever posted anything like this on the web/forum. I did it because I love the car and I want it to do what it supposed to do. Why should I let someone dictate the car I drive due to false marketing? Or should I blame the faltered ones aka the spineless?
I got to thinking why should I give up on the car when the problem isn't the car, it's the manufacturers. If I/people are resolute, we will not be fearful (and I do mean fearful) in making a purchase in the future and we won't hear of stories like this and many others. And I’m not just talking about lack of power.
From what I have read on the forums, TVR has one of the worst if not the worst raps. I put it down to the faltered ones, some of them being in this forum.
Koo
koo,
I'm not having a dig here, but do you know much TVR history?
The key thing is it is owned by one man, and what he says goes. Most owners realise that they can vote with their feet and abandon the mark, but attacking them (however justified) could result in Mr Wheeler calling it a day. Which i'm sure none of us want
As I said before (assuming you don't get joy with the dealer) you need to know exactly how it was tested, to give the figures they quote. TVR are not stupid enough to falsely market the car, they just used different methods to get power figures. I believe they now follow more closely, the industry standard, as most of the speed six cars produce close to the claimed, when tested on rolling roads (which only give an estimate anyway).
Again good luck in your quest.
Sparks
I'm not having a dig here, but do you know much TVR history?
The key thing is it is owned by one man, and what he says goes. Most owners realise that they can vote with their feet and abandon the mark, but attacking them (however justified) could result in Mr Wheeler calling it a day. Which i'm sure none of us want
As I said before (assuming you don't get joy with the dealer) you need to know exactly how it was tested, to give the figures they quote. TVR are not stupid enough to falsely market the car, they just used different methods to get power figures. I believe they now follow more closely, the industry standard, as most of the speed six cars produce close to the claimed, when tested on rolling roads (which only give an estimate anyway).
Again good luck in your quest.
Sparks
Koo,
My point is.. your quote... " Trust me when I say I thrive when it comes to things like this, I’ve done it before and with much larger companies. It’s really not a problem."
Also quoting Ford/Mazda PR re recent bhp differences is irrelevant.
At any one time FMC has a reserve fighting fund of $14billion and as another contributor noted TVR is owned by 1 man. There is no comparison at all.
Everyone should be grateful that Mr Wheeler decided to flitter his money in the bottomless pit of the UK motor trade rather than retiring on a tropical Island. If this guy gets bored with it all then where would that leave you guys. If anyone did buy TVR then you could add another £20k plus onto each car as the new owner would have some serious capital to repay.
Look at Noble. Similar market place, probably better customer handling than TVR (don't quote me!) but you are looking at £55k entry.
Yes Koo I did say your car sounds down and I do understand your disappointment as I previously stated mine was down when tested. I wasn't exactly jumping for joy. However reading your contributions you come across as a muppet quoting Trade Descriptions and relishing a fight.
No I was not party to any vebal conversations but that is how your posts read to a third party. If your car has been successfully fixed without confrontation and your dealer is genuinely pleased to see you then I'm happy as he will be your friend while you own that car. What you don't need is a gritted teeth smile of a welcome.... especially with a product like this!
You have just posted that your car has been fixed. I'm interested what was wrong and is it just improved or does it now read the bhp???
Anyway I stand by my first post. You are getting over £100k of performance for peanuts. Pays your money, takes your chance.
M
My point is.. your quote... " Trust me when I say I thrive when it comes to things like this, I’ve done it before and with much larger companies. It’s really not a problem."
Also quoting Ford/Mazda PR re recent bhp differences is irrelevant.
At any one time FMC has a reserve fighting fund of $14billion and as another contributor noted TVR is owned by 1 man. There is no comparison at all.
Everyone should be grateful that Mr Wheeler decided to flitter his money in the bottomless pit of the UK motor trade rather than retiring on a tropical Island. If this guy gets bored with it all then where would that leave you guys. If anyone did buy TVR then you could add another £20k plus onto each car as the new owner would have some serious capital to repay.
Look at Noble. Similar market place, probably better customer handling than TVR (don't quote me!) but you are looking at £55k entry.
Yes Koo I did say your car sounds down and I do understand your disappointment as I previously stated mine was down when tested. I wasn't exactly jumping for joy. However reading your contributions you come across as a muppet quoting Trade Descriptions and relishing a fight.
No I was not party to any vebal conversations but that is how your posts read to a third party. If your car has been successfully fixed without confrontation and your dealer is genuinely pleased to see you then I'm happy as he will be your friend while you own that car. What you don't need is a gritted teeth smile of a welcome.... especially with a product like this!
You have just posted that your car has been fixed. I'm interested what was wrong and is it just improved or does it now read the bhp???
Anyway I stand by my first post. You are getting over £100k of performance for peanuts. Pays your money, takes your chance.
M
Skid,
What I’m trying to get across is this, it doesn’t matter how much or little you pay for something, it should be as describe. I did not buy it from loot (sold as seen) it is a brand new car. I agree in principle you do get good performance for the money. I did not buy it on that basis only (that it was a bargain) and even if I did, I would still want it to do what it says it does.
“Also quoting Ford/Mazda PR re recent bhp differences is irrelevant.
At any one time FMC has a reserve fighting fund of $14billion and as another contributor noted TVR is owned by 1 man. There is no comparison at all.”
All I was showing is that a company has an obligation to the consumer whether owned by one person or 14 billion. The same rules apply to ALL. This is not a matter of comparing.
“However reading your contributions you come across as a Muppet quoting Trade Descriptions and relishing a fight.”
I call it how it is. (If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, chances are it is a duck)
How you can say I come across as a Muppet I have no idea, you seem to be the one who is stuck with an under powered car, disappointed and you accept it.
“No I was not party to any vebal conversations but that is how your posts read to a third party. If your car has been successfully fixed without confrontation and your dealer is genuinely pleased to see you then I'm happy as he will be your friend while you own that car. What you don't need is a gritted teeth smile of a welcome.... especially with a product like this!”
Stick to the facts, do not assume.
“You have just posted that your car has been fixed.”
Again stick to the facts, “pretty much resolved” means pretty much, not complete, almost.
“Pays your money, takes your chance.”
What the hell do you think this is, the LOTTERY?
I will not be posting to you any more unless you come correct. The idea of the post was not to get into feeble discussions like this.
Koo
What I’m trying to get across is this, it doesn’t matter how much or little you pay for something, it should be as describe. I did not buy it from loot (sold as seen) it is a brand new car. I agree in principle you do get good performance for the money. I did not buy it on that basis only (that it was a bargain) and even if I did, I would still want it to do what it says it does.
“Also quoting Ford/Mazda PR re recent bhp differences is irrelevant.
At any one time FMC has a reserve fighting fund of $14billion and as another contributor noted TVR is owned by 1 man. There is no comparison at all.”
All I was showing is that a company has an obligation to the consumer whether owned by one person or 14 billion. The same rules apply to ALL. This is not a matter of comparing.
“However reading your contributions you come across as a Muppet quoting Trade Descriptions and relishing a fight.”
I call it how it is. (If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, chances are it is a duck)
How you can say I come across as a Muppet I have no idea, you seem to be the one who is stuck with an under powered car, disappointed and you accept it.
“No I was not party to any vebal conversations but that is how your posts read to a third party. If your car has been successfully fixed without confrontation and your dealer is genuinely pleased to see you then I'm happy as he will be your friend while you own that car. What you don't need is a gritted teeth smile of a welcome.... especially with a product like this!”
Stick to the facts, do not assume.
“You have just posted that your car has been fixed.”
Again stick to the facts, “pretty much resolved” means pretty much, not complete, almost.
“Pays your money, takes your chance.”
What the hell do you think this is, the LOTTERY?
I will not be posting to you any more unless you come correct. The idea of the post was not to get into feeble discussions like this.
Koo
if we all know that a 4.5 cerby doesnt have 420 bhp then I insist that the guys at the factory/ dealership must know too. The only reason that they continue to claim this is to decive people, can we all agree on that?
YOU ALL may think that koo comes across as a tw@ as did I but he's got A point!
Why should he have to reserch everything he buys? There are laws that protect all of us from deception why should TVR be any different!
I spend enough time defending TVR build quality, reliabilaty etc. but I cant pretend he wasnt lied to.
YOU ALL may think that koo comes across as a tw@ as did I but he's got A point!
Why should he have to reserch everything he buys? There are laws that protect all of us from deception why should TVR be any different!
I spend enough time defending TVR build quality, reliabilaty etc. but I cant pretend he wasnt lied to.
I always thought that manufacturers took their figures from the best, bench tested engine from a large batch of production engines.
Tolerances would account for the variations and modern engines built to tighter specs would show less of a variation. Surely somewhere there has to be a benchmark that will act as a reference here?
Tolerances would account for the variations and modern engines built to tighter specs would show less of a variation. Surely somewhere there has to be a benchmark that will act as a reference here?
Depends on the manufacturer. AFAIK Japanese cars tend to come with more power than it says on the tin - simply because they pretend to keep to a "gentlemens agreement" of 276bhp. Of course, if they want to edge out above thier competitors they simply claim it has 276 and give it 300ish 
nice. Also I believe that there is a law withing the German TUV that means cars get picked at random off production lines and get tested for power etc etc... Theres some sort of maximum tolerance IIRC?>
Not sure about elsewhere in the world, but TVR arent alone in stating incorrect power figures.
nice. Also I believe that there is a law withing the German TUV that means cars get picked at random off production lines and get tested for power etc etc... Theres some sort of maximum tolerance IIRC?> Not sure about elsewhere in the world, but TVR arent alone in stating incorrect power figures.
Some come on Koo, what the hell was it?????
You were severely P****d when you started this thread on the 2nd September and you didn't appear to be much happier by last weekend..... so what miracle cure has found your 100bhp or a 'reasonable' portion of it??????
Yes Koo you were spoiling for a fight. Yes when something is marketed it should generally do what it says but these are hand built British sports cars and it's more of a hobby than a functional tool. If we wanted functional we would all buy Golfs..... (err... like I have 1 too
).
Agreed you should be miffed at an alleged loss so high but you what stunt has a dealer pulled in 4 working days???
As a Franchised Dealership General Manager I would really like to know as issues like this are rarely 'reasonably' resolved in such short notice. So what is reasonable? Did they find 50 bhp or so? More interestingly who did the original dyno and did they do the follow up comparison test???
Who are the dealers??? I think it would be good business for them as you should return the favour they did you, as I'm sure many guys here would like to pay them a visit to get their cars given the magic wand treatment. Motor Trade works on goodwill so if you can send Cerbie owners their way quoting your name you might be in for a discounted service under a referal system. I'm serious!
These are all important interesting points that I'm sure we would all like to know. I've had a right b*****d of a job finding a decent dyno operator who could handle the power and knew what he was doing (I run with an old fashioned thing you may have read in your history books called a Carburettor
ho ho)
Many Cerbie owners have issue with power outputs so your achievements will go down in Pistonhead history if true! Spill the beans boyo.
M
You were severely P****d when you started this thread on the 2nd September and you didn't appear to be much happier by last weekend..... so what miracle cure has found your 100bhp or a 'reasonable' portion of it??????
Yes Koo you were spoiling for a fight. Yes when something is marketed it should generally do what it says but these are hand built British sports cars and it's more of a hobby than a functional tool. If we wanted functional we would all buy Golfs..... (err... like I have 1 too
). Agreed you should be miffed at an alleged loss so high but you what stunt has a dealer pulled in 4 working days???
As a Franchised Dealership General Manager I would really like to know as issues like this are rarely 'reasonably' resolved in such short notice. So what is reasonable? Did they find 50 bhp or so? More interestingly who did the original dyno and did they do the follow up comparison test???
Who are the dealers??? I think it would be good business for them as you should return the favour they did you, as I'm sure many guys here would like to pay them a visit to get their cars given the magic wand treatment. Motor Trade works on goodwill so if you can send Cerbie owners their way quoting your name you might be in for a discounted service under a referal system. I'm serious!
These are all important interesting points that I'm sure we would all like to know. I've had a right b*****d of a job finding a decent dyno operator who could handle the power and knew what he was doing (I run with an old fashioned thing you may have read in your history books called a Carburettor
ho ho) Many Cerbie owners have issue with power outputs so your achievements will go down in Pistonhead history if true! Spill the beans boyo.
M
Koo,
Come on fella 4 or 5 of us have asked you to tell us what happened to resolve the issue.
You've made a bold statement about your understandable disappointment..... now wont inform us of your successful progress.
At the end of the day I'm only intrigued as I don't own a Cerb but my mates do and there are others on here who do who have asked the same question.
It would be rude not to.
M
Come on fella 4 or 5 of us have asked you to tell us what happened to resolve the issue.
You've made a bold statement about your understandable disappointment..... now wont inform us of your successful progress.
At the end of the day I'm only intrigued as I don't own a Cerb but my mates do and there are others on here who do who have asked the same question.
It would be rude not to.
M
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