AJP8 in F3000 car!

AJP8 in F3000 car!

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alinton

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965 posts

204 months

Sunday 16th August 2009
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Check out this AJP8 seen last week in an F3000 car.

Apparently the last such engine to come out of the factory.



Edited by alinton on Sunday 16th August 21:05

Dupont666

21,311 posts

160 months

Sunday 16th August 2009
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want to post a link to assist us?

Jimbo007

8 posts

201 months

Sunday 16th August 2009
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I thought I saw it at Raceproved and after a quick check - here is the link:

http://www.raceproved.com/ajp-v8-powered-f3000-in-...

alinton

Original Poster:

965 posts

204 months

Sunday 16th August 2009
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Sorry, the image upload didn't work when I thought it had.

I've a few more photos too.


rgds

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fatjon

1,941 posts

181 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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very curious about what transaxle was used, was this car built bt raceproved?


ridds

7,415 posts

212 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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There's a few of these floating around, I'm sure it was part of the original concept of the AJP, a base engine that they could use for either the road car or also sell on to motorsport.

Don't think the single seater side of it ever took off though.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

240 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Thought the original one was built circa 96.

FUBAR

17,059 posts

206 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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There was a single seater (possibly F3000?) with an AJP in sitting on the MotorShow stand a couple of years back.

V8 GRF

7,291 posts

178 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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If it's the original car then it certainly wasn't one of the last of the engines to come out of the factory, more like one of the first!

The reason for designing the AJP V8 was Peter Wheeler at the time wanted TVR power to become a standalone business as up to that point TVR Power had only produced engines for TVR cars and as such had no income, so the idea was to create an engine that could be marketed as a race engine which led to its design as a stress member. At the time there was a regulation change ongoing in Formula 3000 that led to a large number of defunked chassis being available. MCD promoted this with the intention of creating a single seater series called the Grand Prix Lights with the aim of TVR Power leasing the engines to the teams and thus creating an income stream for TVR Power. A car was built and successfully tested round Pembery and produced nearly double the torque of a F1 engine of the time. An event was held at the Belfry in conjunction with the RAC and race teams with these spare chassis were invited to attend. At this point, according to Al, Peter Wheeler withdrew his support and as a result the engine was only used in the Cerbera.

peteA

2,535 posts

202 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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V8 GRF said:
If it's the original car then it certainly wasn't one of the last of the engines to come out of the factory, more like one of the first!

The reason for designing the AJP V8 was Peter Wheeler at the time wanted TVR power to become a standalone business as up to that point TVR Power had only produced engines for TVR cars and as such had no income, so the idea was to create an engine that could be marketed as a race engine which led to its design as a stress member. At the time there was a regulation change ongoing in Formula 3000 that led to a large number of defunked chassis being available. MCD promoted this with the intention of creating a single seater series called the Grand Prix Lights with the aim of TVR Power leasing the engines to the teams and thus creating an income stream for TVR Power. A car was built and successfully tested round Pembery and produced nearly double the torque of a F1 engine of the time. An event was held at the Belfry in conjunction with the RAC and race teams with these spare chassis were invited to attend. At this point, according to Al, Peter Wheeler withdrew his support and as a result the engine was only used in the Cerbera.
Didnt avid Coulthard drive it...or one of the 3000 cars with the AJP engine?

dean_ratpac

1,582 posts

246 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Steve_T said:
Thought the original one was built circa 96.
i think Coulthard drove these... or something with these old cars. nothing new on news.

RichB

45,528 posts

252 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Wasn't Melling's original design, prior to hooking up with PW, for a compact V8 intended for Yamaha as a race engine designed to fit in a 22"x22" box or something?

fatjon

1,941 posts

181 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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The one in the pic seems to be a dry sump version and looks a little wierd around the back of the block. I may pop into raceproved this week and have a snoop around. We were discussing using an AJP for a single seater rear engine project only this weekend. This has got me curious now.

I reckon it's more likely an earlier prototype than a late engine as all the castings were changed for the dry sump version. If I can find time to go for a look I'll report back.

teamHOLDENracing

5,072 posts

235 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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It looks like a bog standard dry sumped race engine to me, with an adaptor plate and a transaxle gearbox on the back.

TVR had an ex Coulthard F3000 chassis with one fitted to it. There is another chap, Mike, who has a similar F3000 also with an AJP fitted. It is a cheap option compared with other suitable race engines for these cars

The Surveyor

7,468 posts

205 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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The ex Coulthard car was on display at HHC in Hexham for a few years before heading back to the factory and then onto the Motorshow.

Paul

dinkel

25,871 posts

226 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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What displacement is this then. Sized down to 3 litre?

Bore almost matches DFV bore . . .

teamHOLDENracing

5,072 posts

235 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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No - its just a standard 4.5 race AJP. F3000 finished years ago, no need to restrict to 3 litres

alinton

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965 posts

204 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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The guy who owns it told me it was the last. He had drawn the attention of Al Melling apparently and went to see him, and it was confirmed.

I wonder if the numbers shown in this picture prove or disprove this?



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teamHOLDENracing

5,072 posts

235 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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TVR didn't sell the dry sumped engine apart from to the odd exceptional customer.. until late 2004 when the Russian business boy pulled the plug on the Tuscan Challenge and they were all sold off. There have been engines built from new race blocks since, but to be honest does it matter whether it was the last, the penultimate or the first - its just good to see it in a race car

itiejim

1,817 posts

173 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Te numbers on the back of the heads are just casting numbers - they're the same as on my 4.5.