Where's all the Strads gone?.
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Having driven the Srad quite a bit on track, I would say that both the Scud and CS make very alluring track weapons but I would now take a Scud overall as its just so much more modern and useable. For me the CS also only really works when you are flat out, particularly due to the gearbox which is dated/poor in everyday use but works much better when you're really on it. The Scud is undoubtedly more forgiving at the limit too, not that the CS is particularly hairy but you do need to know what you're doing. I'm more aware of the weight and layout (mid-engined) in the CS than the Scud. Incredibly, Ferrari have managed to make the 458 friendlier still, it is genuinely like a mid engined M3 and is so progressive at the limit. It breaks away so smoothly. Perhaps a degree of intimidation is part of a great car, maybe not though. Anyway, if you try hard enough you can scare yourself in anyone of the above.
However, if you've got either. Count yourself lucky.
However, if you've got either. Count yourself lucky.
McGurk offloading the smashed TdF...they actually did early this summer.
AND thank god someone on the forum pointed it out to me it had been smacked/repaired, otherwise I would have paid top dollar for something very much dodgy: no insurance record...but some pictures flying around on the net.
McGurk "supposely" had no idea at the time it had seen the Armco closely.
Don't know who picked it up, but really hope they looked up the different forums.
This car is now on www.challenge-stradale.com where it has been recorded at "smacked and repaired"
AND thank god someone on the forum pointed it out to me it had been smacked/repaired, otherwise I would have paid top dollar for something very much dodgy: no insurance record...but some pictures flying around on the net.
McGurk "supposely" had no idea at the time it had seen the Armco closely.
Don't know who picked it up, but really hope they looked up the different forums.
This car is now on www.challenge-stradale.com where it has been recorded at "smacked and repaired"
good knowledge to have, however only 28% known about and lets ben honest how many have been smacked and covered up. if we are honest though, how many classic cars are still original body parts etc. perhaps we are being too fussy?!
911Thrasher said:
McGurk offloading the smashed TdF...they actually did early this summer.
AND thank god someone on the forum pointed it out to me it had been smacked/repaired, otherwise I would have paid top dollar for something very much dodgy: no insurance record...but some pictures flying around on the net.
McGurk "supposely" had no idea at the time it had seen the Armco closely.
Don't know who picked it up, but really hope they looked up the different forums.
This car is now on www.challenge-stradale.com where it has been recorded at "smacked and repaired"
AND thank god someone on the forum pointed it out to me it had been smacked/repaired, otherwise I would have paid top dollar for something very much dodgy: no insurance record...but some pictures flying around on the net.
McGurk "supposely" had no idea at the time it had seen the Armco closely.
Don't know who picked it up, but really hope they looked up the different forums.
This car is now on www.challenge-stradale.com where it has been recorded at "smacked and repaired"
f1ten said:
good knowledge to have, however only 28% known about and lets ben honest how many have been smacked and covered up. if we are honest though, how many classic cars are still original body parts etc. perhaps we are being too fussy?!
Fully agree with you, however price must reflect the fact it had seen the Armco, which it didnt. 911Thrasher said:
McGurk offloading the smashed TdF...they actually did early this summer.
AND thank god someone on the forum pointed it out to me it had been smacked/repaired, otherwise I would have paid top dollar for something very much dodgy: no insurance record...but some pictures flying around on the net.
McGurk "supposely" had no idea at the time it had seen the Armco closely.
Don't know who picked it up, but really hope they looked up the different forums.
This car is now on www.challenge-stradale.com where it has been recorded at "smacked and repaired"
AND thank god someone on the forum pointed it out to me it had been smacked/repaired, otherwise I would have paid top dollar for something very much dodgy: no insurance record...but some pictures flying around on the net.
McGurk "supposely" had no idea at the time it had seen the Armco closely.
Don't know who picked it up, but really hope they looked up the different forums.
This car is now on www.challenge-stradale.com where it has been recorded at "smacked and repaired"
It was "fairly" price for a higher mileage car (at the same level as other "straight" cars), but too much considering its history.
if it has had a top league repair then why should it be reduced?
by the pictures, yes it was damaged, but nowhere near 'write off' material.
i know of a strad that is one owner that had an elderly driver fail to see it stationery at traffic lights and pile into the back off it causing about £12k damage when it was about 2 yrs old...it has been repaired to perfect standard, luckily there were no cameras about then, so why should the owner knock a fortune off it if he ever decided to sell?
mcgurk obviously thought the repair was to an extremly high standard and didn't feel as though the car should be cheaper because of it...problem being is the routinely published pictures and it continually being brought up in forums that a probable fantastic car keeps getting talked down regularly.
if them pics didn't exist, i'm sure that particular strad would be regarded as a peach.
instead of constantly being talked about as 'smacked', why doesn't someone discover whom repaired it and to what standard?
by the pictures, yes it was damaged, but nowhere near 'write off' material.
i know of a strad that is one owner that had an elderly driver fail to see it stationery at traffic lights and pile into the back off it causing about £12k damage when it was about 2 yrs old...it has been repaired to perfect standard, luckily there were no cameras about then, so why should the owner knock a fortune off it if he ever decided to sell?
mcgurk obviously thought the repair was to an extremly high standard and didn't feel as though the car should be cheaper because of it...problem being is the routinely published pictures and it continually being brought up in forums that a probable fantastic car keeps getting talked down regularly.
if them pics didn't exist, i'm sure that particular strad would be regarded as a peach.
instead of constantly being talked about as 'smacked', why doesn't someone discover whom repaired it and to what standard?
355spiderguy said:
if it has had a top league repair then why should it be reduced?
by the pictures, yes it was damaged, but nowhere near 'write off' material.
i know of a strad that is one owner that had an elderly driver fail to see it stationery at traffic lights and pile into the back off it causing about £12k damage when it was about 2 yrs old...it has been repaired to perfect standard, luckily there were no cameras about then, so why should the owner knock a fortune off it if he ever decided to sell?
mcgurk obviously thought the repair was to an extremly high standard and didn't feel as though the car should be cheaper because of it...problem being is the routinely published pictures and it continually being brought up in forums that a probable fantastic car keeps getting talked down regularly.
if them pics didn't exist, i'm sure that particular strad would be regarded as a peach.
instead of constantly being talked about as 'smacked', why doesn't someone discover whom repaired it and to what standard?
Would you be happy finding out your £100k hard earnt pride and joy had a non disclosed history, regardless of 'whom' repaired it? I know i bloody wouldnt. And yes the dealer did know about the crash on the first cccasion he had the car for sale. I think the moral ground/issue is more one of disclosure than how well its been repaired.by the pictures, yes it was damaged, but nowhere near 'write off' material.
i know of a strad that is one owner that had an elderly driver fail to see it stationery at traffic lights and pile into the back off it causing about £12k damage when it was about 2 yrs old...it has been repaired to perfect standard, luckily there were no cameras about then, so why should the owner knock a fortune off it if he ever decided to sell?
mcgurk obviously thought the repair was to an extremly high standard and didn't feel as though the car should be cheaper because of it...problem being is the routinely published pictures and it continually being brought up in forums that a probable fantastic car keeps getting talked down regularly.
if them pics didn't exist, i'm sure that particular strad would be regarded as a peach.
instead of constantly being talked about as 'smacked', why doesn't someone discover whom repaired it and to what standard?
Hardly a light scratch is it ?
Edited by F355spider on Thursday 11th October 21:21
Edited by F355spider on Thursday 11th October 21:29
I know both the seller and subsequent owner, both are close friends. All I will say is we had many many happy miles in the car and John McGurk I'd trust unremittingly. A more honest and decent man you couldn't hope to meet. Sure he drives a hard bargain but he's very honest and hard working. Certainly if there was any funny business then he would not have done so deliberately/knowingly. He rightly prides himself on hard earned reputation.
And for the record I put my money where my mouth is. I've bought an F50 off him and he has sold on my behalf the following 993 RS, 355, 550 and CS. It says it all that I am happy to deal with him time after time. He's also currently selling my 599 GTO.
And for the record I put my money where my mouth is. I've bought an F50 off him and he has sold on my behalf the following 993 RS, 355, 550 and CS. It says it all that I am happy to deal with him time after time. He's also currently selling my 599 GTO.
pistolp said:
I know both the seller and subsequent owner, both are close friends. All I will say is we had many many happy miles in the car.
Well i'm glad to know the owners have/had numerous good times in the car...but last spring i am glad several people here and on fcars.co.uk pointed out to me it had hit the Armco, because the seller/owner at the time either didnt know about it or omitted to tell me. It was sold just as a higher mileage car.And dont think i'm bulls
ting, there is a thread about it somewhere where i am inquiring about it...and clearly i wasnt tyre kicking as since then i did buy a CS, paid more for it (less mileage and clean). Conclusion: when buuying such car, do enquire around...a lot...as there can be some surprises.
pistolp said:
I know both the seller and subsequent owner, both are close friends. All I will say is we had many many happy miles in the car and John McGurk I'd trust unremittingly. A more honest and decent man you couldn't hope to meet. Sure he drives a hard bargain but he's very honest and hard working. Certainly if there was any funny business then he would not have done so deliberately/knowingly. He rightly prides himself on hard earned reputation.
And for the record I put my money where my mouth is. I've bought an F50 off him and he has sold on my behalf the following 993 RS, 355, 550 and CS. It says it all that I am happy to deal with him time after time. He's also currently selling my 599 GTO.
Your 'for the record' bit is a mute point whether you have bought a mini or a maserati it doesnt make any difference in my eyes. We all take pride in what we manage to buy ourselves and so should the dealer whatever he is selling.And for the record I put my money where my mouth is. I've bought an F50 off him and he has sold on my behalf the following 993 RS, 355, 550 and CS. It says it all that I am happy to deal with him time after time. He's also currently selling my 599 GTO.
Here is a fact: Mcgurk originally purchased the car on the first occasion from a known user of clubscuderia prior to it going to the chap in Scotland. It was for sale for some time and McGurk was informed on more than one occasion by telephone that the vehicle he was selling had been repaired. Nothing was disclosed in his adverts. So personally i dont hold him in such high regard as yourself.
Edited by F355spider on Friday 12th October 08:55
Sorry old chap. 'For the record', it's moot point not, mute point.
Anyway, as you say perhaps it is a moot point, but more importantly, it's my opinion. Not a statement of fact, ones opinion of someone else can't be anything other than an opinion really.
I was merely stating that my experience of McGurks has been nothing other than exemplary. I'm sure you are armed with all sorts of interesting and incriminating facts so I do not want to really get into this, I haven't got the time or energy. All I will say is that for every dealer there are a thousand stories. For me it's personal experience that counts, not rumours and hearsay.
Anyway, as you say perhaps it is a moot point, but more importantly, it's my opinion. Not a statement of fact, ones opinion of someone else can't be anything other than an opinion really.
I was merely stating that my experience of McGurks has been nothing other than exemplary. I'm sure you are armed with all sorts of interesting and incriminating facts so I do not want to really get into this, I haven't got the time or energy. All I will say is that for every dealer there are a thousand stories. For me it's personal experience that counts, not rumours and hearsay.
pistolp said:
Sorry old chap. 'For the record', it's moot point not, mute point.
Anyway, as you say perhaps it is a moot point, but more importantly, it's my opinion. Not a statement of fact, ones opinion of someone else can't be anything other than an opinion really.
I was merely stating that my experience of McGurks has been nothing other than exemplary. I'm sure you are armed with all sorts of interesting and incriminating facts so I do not want to really get into this, I haven't got the time or energy. All I will say is that for every dealer there are a thousand stories. For me it's personal experience that counts, not rumours and hearsay.
Absolutely, its all about personal experience. Have a great day poppet.Anyway, as you say perhaps it is a moot point, but more importantly, it's my opinion. Not a statement of fact, ones opinion of someone else can't be anything other than an opinion really.
I was merely stating that my experience of McGurks has been nothing other than exemplary. I'm sure you are armed with all sorts of interesting and incriminating facts so I do not want to really get into this, I haven't got the time or energy. All I will say is that for every dealer there are a thousand stories. For me it's personal experience that counts, not rumours and hearsay.
pistolp said:
Thanks. So far so good, just in Dick Lovett picking up my new 458.
You too....
Didnt Mcquirk have one?You too....
Hey we could meet up, i'm picking up my GT3 later on today!Say hello to Adrian for me while your there, he sold me my last blue Stradale(I had a red one too). To be fair to him, he did the decent thing and told me (before i bought it)it had had a small ding on the rear quarter and the previous owner had painted the whole car (glass out) under his chubb policy. Nice decent guy is adrian.
Its all about personal experience.
Edited by F355spider on Friday 12th October 10:06
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