Koenig Ferrari 348 Twin Turbo

Koenig Ferrari 348 Twin Turbo

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4leks

173 posts

119 months

Saturday 26th January 2013
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giggle said:
So it should of lost £173K but the seller thinks its only lost £165K. OK, got it. smile
Sorry, I am not an expert in Koenig but where this figures came from? Was it £200k new? I just simply don't know because I was too young when it was initially introduced.
Koening seems to be pretty cheap staff as far as I can see http://www.koenig-specials.com/homepage%20neu/navi...

OK, turbo engine on its own costs £35k but this is for 520 hp / 500 NM engine. The advertised car does not have this and has similar performance to standard F355. I personally would prefer F355 over this one or even standard non-modified 348. I think the mods to this car does not add anything in terms of value hence it is overpriced. Maybe I am wrong. Visually the rear end looks out of proportion to me - i.e. not long enough to carry such a big F40 style spoiler thus the car visually looks too high and similar to MR2 kits.

If you think it is special car at extremely good price why not to go & buy it? wink

4leks

173 posts

119 months

Saturday 26th January 2013
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JMP86 said:
Surely it is only worth what the next owner is willing to pay for it?
agree

giggle

1,948 posts

189 months

Sunday 27th January 2013
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4leks said:
Sorry, I am not an expert in Koenig but where this figures came from? Was it £200k new? I just simply don't know because I was too young when it was initially introduced.
Koening seems to be pretty cheap staff as far as I can see http://www.koenig-specials.com/homepage%20neu/navi...

OK, turbo engine on its own costs £35k but this is for 520 hp / 500 NM engine. The advertised car does not have this and has similar performance to standard F355. I personally would prefer F355 over this one or even standard non-modified 348. I think the mods to this car does not add anything in terms of value hence it is overpriced. Maybe I am wrong. Visually the rear end looks out of proportion to me - i.e. not long enough to carry such a big F40 style spoiler thus the car visually looks too high and similar to MR2 kits.

If you think it is special car at extremely good price why not to go & buy it? wink
Sorry I was being a little facetious, no they were not 200K new. At a guess i would say base car of £75K plus 30-40K for the F48 Conversion.

f1ten

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1,826 posts

97 months

Sunday 27th January 2013
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f1ten

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1,826 posts

97 months

Sunday 27th January 2013
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astroarcadia

1,569 posts

144 months

Sunday 27th January 2013
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Are these Koenig guys stuck in a time-warp?

From what I can see, none of their designs are an improvement over the original.



Edited by astroarcadia on Sunday 27th January 17:01

AmanSehra

31 posts

99 months

Monday 28th January 2013
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Great looking car, went with a friend of mine to view the car at the weekend, showed a decent amount of interest and even made an offer (subject to a HPI check)...shame its a fire damage total loss in 2003!!

Not surprised it has been for sale for so long!

DevonPaul

665 posts

81 months

Monday 28th January 2013
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AmanSehra said:
Great looking car, went with a friend of mine to view the car at the weekend, showed a decent amount of interest and even made an offer (subject to a HPI check)...shame its a fire damage total loss in 2003!!

Not surprised it has been for sale for so long!
Funny, I can't see that mentioned in the advert - I wonder if they told him before the HPI check?

I was planning on popping up to look at a car there this weekend. I might ask a few more pointed questions over the phone first.

Paul

haloboy

29 posts

109 months

Monday 28th January 2013
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Hi Everyone!!
I'm selling the car and want to say now that the car is not a write off.
When you HPI a car you will note that it also brings up all the previous reg numbers that have been on said car,
with that it also brings up any history on those previous reg numbers.

A reg number that was on the F48 in 1990 H1SRV was also on a Aston Martin Virage in 2003 when the Aston Martin was totally written off by Fire Category F.

Nothing to do with the Ferrari other than a personal number plate.

Hi Talbir if you are reading this I would advise you talk to HPI yourself.

AmanSehra

31 posts

99 months

Monday 28th January 2013
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I stand corrected, it is the reg plate, not the car itself!

DJRC

23,563 posts

180 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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4leks said:
giggle said:
So it should of lost £173K but the seller thinks its only lost £165K. OK, got it. smile
Sorry, I am not an expert in Koenig but where this figures came from? Was it £200k new? I just simply don't know because I was too young when it was initially introduced.
Koening seems to be pretty cheap staff as far as I can see http://www.koenig-specials.com/homepage%20neu/navi...

OK, turbo engine on its own costs £35k but this is for 520 hp / 500 NM engine. The advertised car does not have this and has similar performance to standard F355. I personally would prefer F355 over this one or even standard non-modified 348. I think the mods to this car does not add anything in terms of value hence it is overpriced. Maybe I am wrong. Visually the rear end looks out of proportion to me - i.e. not long enough to carry such a big F40 style spoiler thus the car visually looks too high and similar to MR2 kits.

If you think it is special car at extremely good price why not to go & buy it? wink
Colour me daft, but the add states the car has the 550HP option engine, but you say otherwise. Would you care to spill the beans as to what engine you think it has and why?

IF it has the stated engine, then £35k for a pukka Koenig is great value for dosh. As you say you are too young to understand, but Willy Koenig was pretty much *the* name for 80s tuning daftness. Yes by the 90s it was getting a little old hat as the styles changed with the decade, but for many of us a Koenig is basically über cocktastically cool. Koenig are basically legends.

f1ten

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1,826 posts

97 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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1 its super rarte
2 it was hand crafted by a well known and respected tuning artist. Koenig becamse famous not just in Germany but USA (stallone had at least one R107 Koenig Sl made etc).
£35k for something that had a lot of hand work and detailing put into it is a steal in my opinion. If I wasnt already well exposed to the luxury toys market then i would be buying this myself!

Angelis

2,304 posts

180 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Bearing in mind that to do a Turbo conversion on a 348 from a company like Norwood, will cost around £25,000, the Koenig 348 represents great value.

If I didn't already have one, I'd be very interested.

There's a yellow one I see at FOC trackdays which always catches my eye as well.

giggle

1,948 posts

189 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Angelis said:
Bearing in mind that to do a Turbo conversion on a 348 from a company like Norwood, will cost around £25,000, the Koenig 348 represents great value.

If I didn't already have one, I'd be very interested.

There's a yellow one I see at FOC trackdays which always catches my eye as well.
From earlier in the thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUPBPfIIcEo

4leks

173 posts

119 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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DJRC said:
Colour me daft, but the add states the car has the 550HP option engine, but you say otherwise. Would you care to spill the beans as to what engine you think it has and why?

IF it has the stated engine, then £35k for a pukka Koenig is great value for dosh. As you say you are too young to understand, but Willy Koenig was pretty much *the* name for 80s tuning daftness. Yes by the 90s it was getting a little old hat as the styles changed with the decade, but for many of us a Koenig is basically über cocktastically cool. Koenig are basically legends.
I stand corrected. Yes, it does have 550bhp conversion.

I hope 348s handling issues were also sorted/improved wink

Rear end still looks very out of proportion to me. I think it would look like MR2 kit for anyone who is not certain age and know Koenig thing well

Angelis

2,304 posts

180 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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4leks said:
I think it would look like MR2 kit for anyone who is not certain age and know Koenig thing well
All 348/355's get mistaken for MR2's these days

biggrin

Martian O

2,734 posts

106 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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"I am no longer replying to emails on this car due to the huge number people enquiring about it."

confused

giggle

1,948 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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Martian O said:
"I am no longer replying to emails on this car due to the huge number people enquiring about it."

confused
Yes, thats was on the ad before this thread started.

The reason its still there is no history.
Owner died, history never found.

Im guessing lots of it could be traced as no one would forget they had had an F48 Koenig in
the workshop smile

f1ten

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1,826 posts

97 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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get it checked over, likely hood is the car it straight. reality is its not 100k car anyway so what risk is 35k... bugger all in the scale of how rare the car is.

jontysafe

2,031 posts

122 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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If this was a bargain it would have been bought. It's perhaps a less reliable worse handling 348?