The £100K 458...
Discussion
APOLO1 said:
I would bet, that you can get a car close to a desired spec, off the shelf right now
Agreed. Why would anyone possibly waste huge money on a new 458, when there are 70 + low milers sitting there. Lets face it, real money would never buy a 458, not whilst they have a Forester to cut about in.
So who buys a new 458 in the current climate ?. I have an idea, but would hate to offend
APOLO1 said:
I would bet, that you can get a car close to a desired spec, off the shelf right now
2 months and you have one. In Rhd it was the case already 1-2 years ago. Word of a ferrari dealer in Europe. He told me at the time the German slots were simply not being sold. This was when the FF had just come out, he took me at the back to show me the first car in the country. The 458 must be an incredible machine for prices to still hold despite the over supply. Or Ferrari is just very good at "directing" the market with a smart used car policy/stock management strategy.
Robbo66 said:
Agreed. Why would anyone possibly waste huge money on a new 458, when there are 70 + low milers sitting there.
Lets face it, real money would never buy a 458, not whilst they have a Forester to cut about in.
So who buys a new 458 in the current climate ?. I have an idea, but would hate to offend
By 'real money' I assume you mean 'old money', unless by your measure the likes of Mr Cowell don't have real money. The 'current climate' leaves plenty of people untouched, and if they're of that mentality, can certainly afford to blow a wad on a new one. Certainly wouldn't do it myself (and in fact haven't)but plenty will and do.Lets face it, real money would never buy a 458, not whilst they have a Forester to cut about in.
So who buys a new 458 in the current climate ?. I have an idea, but would hate to offend
JDH1 said:
By 'real money' I assume you mean 'old money', unless by your measure the likes of Mr Cowell don't have real money. The 'current climate' leaves plenty of people untouched, and if they're of that mentality, can certainly afford to blow a wad on a new one. Certainly wouldn't do it myself (and in fact haven't)but plenty will and do.
Yes, apologies, meant 'old money'. Staggers me that some do, and begs the question that with that financial logic, how they came to be in the position to write off such a huge sum on new....for the sake of 800 miles and 6 months.Robbo66 said:
Yes, apologies, meant 'old money'. Staggers me that some do, and begs the question that with that financial logic, how they came to be in the position to write off such a huge sum on new....for the sake of 800 miles and 6 months.
Having just bought a 430 spider at what I hope is reasonably close to the bottom of the depreciation curve, I'm with you. Could comfortably join the 'latest-best-thing' game, but logic stops me doing it. There again, I don't move in the circles where these things matter. On the other hand YOLO...as my daughter might say just to annoy me.JDH1 said:
Having just bought a 430 spider at what I hope is reasonably close to the bottom of the depreciation curve, I'm with you. Could comfortably join the 'latest-best-thing' game, but logic stops me doing it. There again, I don't move in the circles where these things matter. On the other hand YOLO...as my daughter might say just to annoy me.
Nosy question. How much did you pay for your 430 spider? I just bought a coupe for 70k and was wondering how much depreciation I'd see.Slarti said:
Nosy question. How much did you pay for your 430 spider? I just bought a coupe for 70k and was wondering how much depreciation I'd see.
Just over £60k, but it's one of the older ones and higher than average (for a Ferrari) mileage. I'd imagine it could drop another £10k at some point but that will be the extent of it. Sitting on something that was likely to drop £30k-£50k in under 2 years would kill me.JDH1 said:
Not sure you need to be in the market to know that a used 430 is probably a better financial proposition than a used 458...or indeed that both are worse than a used Hyundai. No amount of man maths can overcome this.
All I'm getting at, and no man maths needed, if you drive a 458 and can afford one, you buy it. If its all down to how much it will loose over 12/24 months, it will spoil the ownership experience, and you probably can't afford one in the first place.
ted 191 said:
All I'm getting at, and no man maths needed, if you drive a 458 and can afford one, you buy it.
If its all down to how much it will loose over 12/24 months, it will spoil the ownership experience, and you probably can't afford one in the first place.
We'll have to agree to differ on that. There are many people who can comfortably afford to buy whatever they want, but choose not to throw their money away. I'd say it's more a question of attitude than wealth. That's aside from those who actually prefer a less 'digital' experience. If its all down to how much it will loose over 12/24 months, it will spoil the ownership experience, and you probably can't afford one in the first place.
JDH1 said:
ted 191 said:
All I'm getting at, and no man maths needed, if you drive a 458 and can afford one, you buy it.
If its all down to how much it will loose over 12/24 months, it will spoil the ownership experience, and you probably can't afford one in the first place.
We'll have to agree to differ on that. There are many people who can comfortably afford to buy whatever they want, but choose not to throw their money away. I'd say it's more a question of attitude than wealth. That's aside from those who actually prefer a less 'digital' experience. If its all down to how much it will loose over 12/24 months, it will spoil the ownership experience, and you probably can't afford one in the first place.
This digital experience is complete twaddle the same will be said a out the incoming GT3 Porsche until the prices have dropped enough to get into the mainstream. The they'll be the best thing since the invention of the wheel!.
sone said:
Perhaps those of us lucky enough to own a 458 don't actually see it as "throwing away our money". The 458 is an great car, ok it's not available in a manual but who wants manual when flappy paddles are this good. Apart from that its got a digital display and if you want to throw yourself into a hedge it will gladly let you.
This digital experience is complete twaddle the same will be said a out the incoming GT3 Porsche until the prices have dropped enough to get into the mainstream. The they'll be the best thing since the invention of the wheel!.
All I was saying is that there are many people who choose not to buy a 458 for reasons other than that they "can't afford it" as the previous poster was suggesting. I don't doubt it's a great car and may buy one when the early adopters have moved on to the new Gallardo or whatever happens to be competing with sliced bread next.This digital experience is complete twaddle the same will be said a out the incoming GT3 Porsche until the prices have dropped enough to get into the mainstream. The they'll be the best thing since the invention of the wheel!.
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