is the F type a supercar?

is the F type a supercar?

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blueg33

21,682 posts

169 months

Monday 19th August
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Fast but boring Audi next to a slow but svelte Ferrari and some people think the Audi will get more interest!

Ha ha. Some posters are funny. I have been to numerous places with exactly such a scenario and the Audi gets virtually zero attention.

Tbh i have seen current Alfa Gulias get more attention than a fast Audi in a car park.

F360 also gets more attention than most Porsche’s.

As for the Ftype. Nice sports car but miles from being a super car IMO

murphyaj

242 posts

20 months

Monday 19th August
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I was at a car show at the weekend where people could pay to have a spin in some of the cars. There was an Audi R8 V10 Spyder on the list, as well as a Ferrari 360. They were equally popular. Both the R8 and 360 had people of all ages spending hard earned cash to have a go, from little kids up to older gents. (Neither of them came close to being as popular as the 458 or the Ford GT replica mind you).

Is it worth considering the possibility that different people like different cars, regardless of their age? Just because my group of mates from my gym / book club / knitting circle or whatever prefer hot hatches to hypercars, or vice versa, that doesn't mean every other group of people will think the same.

Edited by murphyaj on Monday 19th August 10:26

Pioneer

862 posts

76 months

Monday 19th August
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Chestrockwell said:
Sorry but the R8 IS and always will be a super car
Am I the only person that picked up on this, or was it unintended?

GG33

1,021 posts

146 months

Monday 19th August
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F Type is not a supercar (neither is an R8) too many of them!

blueg33

21,682 posts

169 months

Monday 19th August
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GG33 said:
F Type is not a supercar (neither is an R8) too many of them!
Rarity should be a factor but other factors should apply.

My Evora is pretty rare, it’s mid engined, mostly impractical, has a sense of occasion, is made of composites and is as quick as a 360 and gets at least as much attention as a 360 and way more than an R8. But it’s not a super car and neither is the R8, whereas the 360 is, and definitely was when it was launched.

jakesmith

4,746 posts

116 months

Monday 19th August
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blueg33 said:
Fast but boring Audi next to a slow but svelte Ferrari and some people think the Audi will get more interest!

Ha ha. Some posters are funny. I have been to numerous places with exactly such a scenario and the Audi gets virtually zero attention.

Tbh i have seen current Alfa Gulias get more attention than a fast Audi in a car park.

F360 also gets more attention than most Porsche’s.

As for the Ftype. Nice sports car but miles from being a super car IMO
These tales are highly anecdotal and from very small (and maybe, I suspect, non-existent) data sets.

How many times have you seen a Giulia next to a fast Audi in a car park and then made an accurate observation of the amount and quality of attention each car received from passers by? I'm not talking about one person walking past and looking at the Giulia.
How many times have you seen a 360 parked next to a Porsche and done the same?

Without them being parked there for say a day, and polling 100+ people walking past, or using cutting edge facial recognition or eye-tracking methodologies, or interviewing people on the street, it's too anecdotal & unscientific to be meaningful. I'm sure it's very flattering to think that people are paying attention to your car as it gives approval to your decisions but it's probably very easy to imagine it too, especailly in the context of a stranger comparing 2 unrelated cars as they walk past them in a fleeting moment in a gym car park

I hardly have a dog in the fight anyway but think talking about one 25 year old car making another disappear is fantasy. Other opinions are available too.


jakesmith

4,746 posts

116 months

Monday 19th August
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blueg33 said:
Rarity should be a factor but other factors should apply.

My Evora is pretty rare, it’s mid engined, mostly impractical, has a sense of occasion, is made of composites and is as quick as a 360 and gets at least as much attention as a 360 and way more than an R8. But it’s not a super car and neither is the R8, whereas the 360 is, and definitely was when it was launched.
I typically find that my R8 gets way more attention than Evoras - waaaaaaay more! At least 16.2% more. smile

blueg33

21,682 posts

169 months

Monday 19th August
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I do several European road trips s year with a 360 and various Porsche’s in the convoy and an collecting my info from 10 years of such trips.

Our office car park contsins a new RS5, an RS3 a Hurracan and a Gulia Veloce amongst others. Visitors have to walk past these to get to reception. The Lamborghini gets the most interest followed by the Alfa (it’s a lovely shade of blue).

It’s nog a scientific study? But is easily observable.

Outside a chateau in France a bunch of Chinese people posed for pics in front of the 360 and the Lotus, they ignored the yellow 993s and the C63 AMG

davek_964

5,890 posts

120 months

Monday 19th August
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blueg33 said:
I do several European road trips s year with a 360 and various Porsche’s in the convoy and an collecting my info from 10 years of such trips.

Our office car park contsins a new RS5, an RS3 a Hurracan and a Gulia Veloce amongst others. Visitors have to walk past these to get to reception. The Lamborghini gets the most interest followed by the Alfa (it’s a lovely shade of blue).

It’s nog a scientific study? But is easily observable.

Outside a chateau in France a bunch of Chinese people posed for pics in front of the 360 and the Lotus, they ignored the yellow 993s and the C63 AMG
Exactly - if you own the cars, it's pretty obvious - and the suggestion that we're imagining it to make ourselves feel better is a bit ridiculous. Porsche 996 turbo - practically invisible. Ferrari 360 gets plenty of attention, even though mine isn't red. Even the Aston Vantage gets quite a lot (not that I'm suggesting it's a supercar).

GG33

1,021 posts

146 months

Monday 19th August
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I don't think the amount of attention received is an indicator of supercar status. I owned three TVR's, a Tuscan (Cascade Blue) Cerbera and a Tamora. They all got lots of attention (particularly in Europe) but none of them are Supercars. Neither is performance an indicator, My 991.2 GTS was quicker than the F430 I used to own. The GTS isn't a supercar. It's probably a recipe of several factors, including, but not exclusively: Heritage, rarity, cost when new, Styling, relative performance, and desirability.

av185

9,162 posts

72 months

Monday 19th August
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blueg33 said:
I do several European road trips s year with a 360 and various Porsche’s in the convoy and an collecting my info from 10 years of such trips.

Our office car park contsins a new RS5, an RS3 a Hurracan and a Gulia Veloce amongst others. Visitors have to walk past these to get to reception. The Lamborghini gets the most interest followed by the Alfa (it’s a lovely shade of blue).

It’s nog a scientific study? But is easily observable.

Outside a chateau in France a bunch of Chinese people posed for pics in front of the 360 and the Lotus, they ignored the yellow 993s and the C63 AMG
Very true I am in the same situation although it is certainly the case that colour has much influence on people's interest in a car especially those with limited knowledge!

Virtually all Audi RS and R8 models are invisible largely due to there ubiquity and Chav appeal, as are all BMW M3s and Mecedes AMG.

As for the Jag being a supercar rofl


jakesmith

4,746 posts

116 months

Monday 19th August
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davek_964 said:
Exactly - if you own the cars, it's pretty obvious - and the suggestion that we're imagining it to make ourselves feel better is a bit ridiculous. Porsche 996 turbo - practically invisible. Ferrari 360 gets plenty of attention, even though mine isn't red. Even the Aston Vantage gets quite a lot (not that I'm suggesting it's a supercar).
OK well I had about 5 people come over and talk to me about my Brabus Smart Roadster over the course of the 3 months that I owned it.
One was an employee at a petrol station & round where I live you get everything up to F40's stopping there.
My R8 gets plenty of attention or maybe I'm imagining that? People waving and giving thumbs up and stuff. All very odd for such a dull boring non supercar. Maybe it's my bald head that they like.

davek_964

5,890 posts

120 months

Monday 19th August
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jakesmith said:
OK well I had about 5 people come over and talk to me about my Brabus Smart Roadster over the course of the 3 months that I owned it.
One was an employee at a petrol station & round where I live you get everything up to F40's stopping there.
My R8 gets plenty of attention or maybe I'm imagining that? People waving and giving thumbs up and stuff. All very odd for such a dull boring non supercar. Maybe it's my bald head that they like.
Eh? It was you that said owners might be imagining it!

jakesmith said:
I'm sure it's very flattering to think that people are paying attention to your car as it gives approval to your decisions but it's probably very easy to imagine it too, especailly in the context of a stranger comparing 2 unrelated cars as they walk past them in a fleeting moment in a gym car park
I don't believe I've said an R8 wouldn't get attention? I'd expect it to get plenty.

Whether it's a supercar or not seems rather subjective.

mwstewart

5,542 posts

133 months

Monday 19th August
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Has rambambo given his son an R8?

jakesmith

4,746 posts

116 months

Monday 19th August
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mwstewart said:
Has rambambo given his son an R8?
A compliment on my age, at last!

Chestrockwell

1,875 posts

102 months

Monday 19th August
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How is the R8 not a super car?

It uses the same engine and running gear as a Huracan. It looks striking and is lower than the Huracan. Maybe not an early 08 grey R8 but the new ones are definitely super cars.

I saw a blue 2012+ R8 V10 Spyder with the roof down and it looked stunning, gated 6 speed manual too.

Chestrockwell

1,875 posts

102 months

Monday 19th August
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A mid engined, 2 seater with a 5.2 V10 isn’t a sports car. If that’s a sports car, the F Type is a 4x4

blueg33

21,682 posts

169 months

Monday 19th August
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Chestrockwell said:
How is the R8 not a super car?

It uses the same engine and running gear as a Huracan. It looks striking and is lower than the Huracan. Maybe not an early 08 grey R8 but the new ones are definitely super cars.

I saw a blue 2012+ R8 V10 Spyder with the roof down and it looked stunning, gated 6 speed manual too.
Because of the following: all IMO

Its too Audi annodyne in looks, its Audi anodyne inside, dash board and switch gear was only slightly different from my A6. I would level the same interior criticism at the Gallardo.

Its doesn't have enough drama in its looks and the corporate Audi grill is the main front feature and that detracts from the visual package IMO. But it makes perfect sense as a halo car to promote everyday Audi's

Incidentally I feel the new NSX isnt a super car either, the front grill makes it look like a Vectra and destroys any "wow" factor.

R8 drives nicely and the engine is lovely - but sorry, not a supercar.

All this stuff is subjective, so its really down to the majority verdict.

Here is another example, this time from Hotel Du France, Le Mans week 2015. - They had reserved the square in front of the hotel for super car parking. The cars in our convoy that were allowed in were: Ferrari 360, Ferrari 575, Lotus Evora Sports Racer (not sure why). The cars that were not allowed in: Porsche 993 C2s, Porsche 997, Maserati Gran Cabrio MC Stradale.

Pioneer

862 posts

76 months

Monday 19th August
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Chestrockwell said:
How is the R8 not a super car?

It uses the same engine and running gear as a Huracan. It looks striking and is lower than the Huracan. Maybe not an early 08 grey R8 but the new ones are definitely super cars.

I saw a blue 2012+ R8 V10 Spyder with the roof down and it looked stunning, gated 6 speed manual too.
The R8 is a super car. However, please refer to the PH dictionary under super car and supercar. You're contradicting yourself. HTH biggrin

blueg33

21,682 posts

169 months

Monday 19th August
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Chestrockwell said:
A mid engined, 2 seater with a 5.2 V10 isn’t a sports car. If that’s a sports car, the F Type is a 4x4
Actually the R8 is a 4x4...................