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bluesatin

3,111 posts

241 months

Wednesday 21st August 2002
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manu

Here are some figures on the Ultima performance. I have a Dynoed 524 bhp engine (however this was done in the US so I don't know how accurate it is) and still needs more power!!

Performance Data 2002 Ultima GTR
Top speed: 150 to 200+ mph
Wind tunnel tested to 220 MPH (speed depends on final ratio and engine package)
Speed runsChevy 350 engine)
0 to 60 mph 3.3 seconds - Car & Driver mag 12/6/99
0 to 100 mph 6.8 seconds - Santa Pod 8/25/90
0 to 150 mph 10.9 seconds - Santa Pod 8/25/90
0 to 180 mph 14.8 seconds - Santa Pod 8/25/90

Quarter mile run: 150 mph top speed 10.9 seconds - Santa Pod 8/25/90

I don't think my car will do this but the factory say 0-60 is way below 4 secs and 0-100 just over 7 secs

manu

768 posts

232 months

Wednesday 21st August 2002
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Satin - That's disgusting - what does your car weigh in at???
With those kind of figures you need some kind of HYPER 720bhp 950kg F40 to give you a half decent race and even then....
I think I need to experience some Ultima.....
With the 0-150mph time 10.9 that makes the car faster than the GSX-R1300 Hyabusa Motorbike which is fastest mofo of a bike in the world.
That means pretty much NOTHING will ever beat you on the road (at least in a straight line). Bloody hell.

lee77

328 posts

246 months

Friday 23rd August 2002
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Maybe inaccurate for the wet, but my experiences with 996TT and driving Kevin's 360 means that I am absolutely convinced the 360 will leave a 996TT (rolling start anyway!). A tiptronic 996TT? My car will say goodbye to that one easily.

Regards



Don't think so, have left many a 360 standing, that was before the power increase, most 360 driver give the TT's a lot of respect.

funkyboogalooo

1,844 posts

237 months

Friday 23rd August 2002
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kev (456)
how quick do you reckon mine was when we had that blast last sunday? Keeping in mind I was being a little careful because the road was only 3'6" wide.
what would it be like against some of these big money cars? I know the written down figures up to 130mph would take some beating but in real world terms how hard was your car working?

ninja_eli

1,521 posts

236 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Maybe inaccurate for the wet, but my experiences with 996TT and driving Kevin's 360 means that I am absolutely convinced the 360 will leave a 996TT (rolling start anyway!). A tiptronic 996TT? My car will say goodbye to that one easily.

Regards



Don't think so, have left many a 360 standing, that was before the power increase, most 360 driver give the TT's a lot of respect.



ha ha ha,

Hi Lee,

I was waiting for a response from you! Seriously though, looking at the power to weight ratio, the 355 and the 996TT tiptronic are on par, the 360 has better power to weight than the manual 996TT. Also, looked at the stats and even according to Porsche the tiptronic has a similar 0-100 time as the 355, and 0-60 its slightly slower.

Oh, and believe me 355 drivers too have a lot of respect for the 996 TT

Regards

456mgt

2,482 posts

235 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Funky- Jeez you have no worries about the performance of your Maser! Not only is it beautiful and a real class motor, that car is BLOODY quick. Much, much quicker than I expected and I reckon I was at 80% or thereabouts to stay with you. The Modena is no slouch either. An expletive or two may have reached Electrics' ears when I saw your car disappearing over the horizon . That was a pretty narrow road and had a lot of loose stuff on it so we were certainly going as fast as was comfortable considering we had your son in the car and I really didn't want to be pulling the Modena out of a tree later on! I was thinking afterwards that I would have had a hell of a job in the 456 especially over that yump....

Cheers Funky- have a good weekend. My regards to Mrs Funky.

Kevin


Mrs 456 read this thread over my shoulder and said 'Aahh, better give it respect- aren't they sweet'

Dazren

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22,612 posts

230 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Ninja wrote to Lee77:

I was waiting for a response from you! Seriously though, looking at the power to weight ratio, the 355 and the 996TT tiptronic are on par, the 360 has better power to weight than the manual 996TT. Also, looked at the stats and even according to Porsche the tiptronic has a similar 0-100 time as the 355, and 0-60 its slightly slower.

Oh, and believe me 355 drivers too have a lot of respect for the 996 TT

Regards



Good afternoon gents. A while before ordering my 996tt I read an article in CAR magazine comparing the 360 against the 996TT. One of the figures that I remember to this day is the the 30-70 time. In a 996tt it is 3.4 secs whilst in a 360 it is 4.3, both the cars were manual.

What it is important to remember is not get hung up on the BHP/tonne ratio, The Ferrari is 5% short of the TT on BHP but more than 5% lighter so would have a higher BHP/tonne figure, indicating superior acceleration right? Errrr NO. What we are forgetting is the torque of 413lb/ft of the Porsche versus 290ish of the Ferrari. The torque affects the speed of pick up so although when the Ferrari gets to the higher revs it may be quick, the porsche would have already been there and be working it's way up the next gear.

It is the difference in torque that allowed me to waste a 360 on the Dottinger Hohe straight of the Nurburgring. You may suggest differences in driver. The driver of the Ferrari has a full race licence racing a 996 in the Porsche open series, I am assured by his passenger that he was going for it.

sorry ninja

PORSCHE RULES

DAZ

(Even though it's more of an occassion firing up a Ferrari and they ARE fanny magnets)

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funkyboogalooo

1,844 posts

237 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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(Even though it's more of an occassion firing up a Ferrari and they ARE fanny magnets)

>> Edited by Dazren on Saturday 24th August 13:23


nuff said

Pinkney

1,010 posts

233 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Good afternoon gents. A while before ordering my 996tt I read an article in CAR magazine comparing the 360 against the 996TT. One of the figures that I remember to this day is the the 30-70 time. In a 996tt it is 3.4 secs whilst in a 360 it is 4.3, both the cars were manual.



Cerbera 4.5 - 3.0sec

Dan

ninja_eli

1,521 posts

236 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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sorry ninja

PORSCHE RULES

DAZ

(Even though it's more of an occassion firing up a Ferrari and they ARE fanny magnets)



Hi Daz,

Well I'm not entirely convinced , but you could always prove the point at a PH meet (hint, hint). So when do we get a race together?()

Seriously, though, I know the Porker should be faster, just my experience of one really going for it against my 355 left me wondering, so I checked the stats according to Porsche and the 996TT with tip is actually slower than my car to 60 and on par for 100. I forgot to ask if it was a manual or tip. Manual is quite a bit faster?

Lee's car should be blindingly fast!

Regards

And if they are fanny magnets, maybe I'm counteracting it? But I have been asked for a ride by complete strangers, and one told me how her fantasy is to have sex on the bonnet of a red Ferrari. Told her to go find an owner of a Red 412i, anything else would be shame to ruin!

ninja_eli

1,521 posts

236 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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sorry ninja

PORSCHE RULES

DAZ

(Even though it's more of an occassion firing up a Ferrari and they ARE fanny magnets)



Hi Daz,

Well I'm not entirely convinced , but you could always prove the point at a PH meet (hint, hint). So when do we get a race together?()

Seriously, though, I know the Porker should be faster, just my experience of one really going for it against my 355 left me wondering, so I checked the stats according to Porsche and the 996TT with tip is actually slower than my car to 60 and on par for 100. I forgot to ask if it was a manual or tip. Manual is quite a bit faster?

Lee's car should be blindingly fast!

Regards

And if they are fanny magnets, maybe I'm counteracting it? But actually, I have been asked for a ride by complete strangers(women and men), and one told me how her fantasy is to have sex on the bonnet of a red Ferrari. Told her to go find an owner of a Red 412i, anything else would be shame to ruin!

Dazren

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22,612 posts

230 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Ninja Eli wrote

Well I'm not entirely convinced , but you could always prove the point at a PH meet (hint, hint). So when do we get a race together?()

Seriously, though, I know the Porker should be faster, just my experience of one really going for it against my 355 left me wondering, so I checked the stats according to Porsche and the 996TT with tip is actually slower than my car to 60 and on par for 100. I forgot to ask if it was a manual or tip. Manual is quite a bit faster?

Lee's car should be blindingly fast!

Regards

And if they are fanny magnets, maybe I'm counteracting it? But I have been asked for a ride by complete strangers, and one told me how her fantasy is to have sex on the bonnet of a red Ferrari. Told her to go find an owner of a Red 412i, anything else would be shame to ruin!



Whenever there's a meet west of reading I'll be up for it. (Bristol based and Londons too far with the speed limits and traffic we have).

The manual is 40kg lighter than the tiptronic. The manual has six gears the tiptronic has only 5. The 420bhp stats are I think 4.2 manual and 4.9 tiptronic to sixty. The tiptronic takes an extra second to get to 100mph. Obviously with alarming differences in performance mine is a manual (Also helps that I have a auto geramn luxobarge for work, city and traffic jams). I understand the 360 has the same 6 gears with both manual and F1 gearchange?

Lee77's car should go like the clappers, from a thread on the Porsche board he's had a different exhaust and airfilter put on. For about 2.5k his car is now chucking out 470bhp. When I ordered mine there was a factory performance option available which included work on the turbos, axhaust, gearbox, clutch etc. As I intend keeping the car for a very long time I went with the factory upgrade, for peace of mind and any future warranty issues.

Ref - Fanny Magnet. Years ago a colleague picked my brother up from Malaga airport in the latest red 348 as a surprise. Later that day they drove through Banus past Sinatras etc and lets just saw anything in a skirt had a glance. Some were even stroking the bonnet!!! The following day my brother spoke to his then Fiancee and told her about the car "It's an absolute Fanny Magnet", with that she put the phone down and didn't speak to him for 2 days. The term has thus stuck, although I don't think it's in the Oxford English Dictionary.

400/412s. I remember when they cam out in the eighties. Ferraris with 3 speed auto boxes. There used to be a program called manimal set in the states where he had a red one with a convertible roof, I used to think it looked fantastic. Lets face it though if you are going to pay ferrari maintainence costs you don't want a 4 seater auto. Hence they are so cheap.

regards

DAZ.

Interesting article in EVO this month ref 996tt 450bhp (just like mine), 575, Vanquish and Murcielago.

Have a good run tomorrow.

ninja_eli

1,521 posts

236 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Was this factory option called the "x" pack option? I think something like 0-60 3.8 seconds?

Wow! Wouldn't mind a ride in yours, mister!

Will try to have a good run tomorrow, but apparently it might rain, so...

Next time we can arrange the meeting a good time in advance so as to ensure we find a mutually convenient meeting point.

Regards

rich1231

17,303 posts

229 months

Saturday 24th August 2002
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Ninja,

X50 pack for the 996 means 450 hp and some torque increase.

Rich

Dazren

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22,612 posts

230 months

Sunday 25th August 2002
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Ninja,

X50 pack for the 996 means 450 hp and some torque increase.

Rich



BINGO, thats the one.

A little quote from EVO magazine on the X50 power package:

".....Turbo performance kit which comprehensively tweaks the turbocharger, intercooler, control units and exhaust system to pile 30bhp on top of the regular 420bhp and do a JCB to the landscape of the torque curve. The standard car's 413lb ft peak is available all the way from 2,700 to 5,600rpm. But on top of that is another plateau that reaches up to 457lb tf between 3,500 and 4,400rpm......."

DAZ

PS 457lb ft is the same peak torque as a GT2!!!!

lee77

328 posts

246 months

Sunday 25th August 2002
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Ninja,

X50 pack for the 996 means 450 hp and some torque increase.

Rich




BINGO, thats the one.

A little quote from EVO magazine on the X50 power package:

".....Turbo performance kit which comprehensively tweaks the turbocharger, intercooler, control units and exhaust system to pile 30bhp on top of the regular 420bhp and do a JCB to the landscape of the torque curve. The standard car's 413lb ft peak is available all the way from 2,700 to 5,600rpm. But on top of that is another plateau that reaches up to 457lb tf between 3,500 and 4,400rpm......."

DAZ

PS 457lb ft is the same peak torque as a GT2!!!!



I went for an after market upgrade and have just over 470bhp with around 485lb ft torque, the conversion allows the turbos to spool up much quicker and the car feels a lot faster when the right foot is down, sounds awesome now with the sports exhaust.

Had a blast with a standard TT (if you can call them standard) and was really surprised at how easily I left it. so was he and asked where I had mine tweeked, another customer for G-force motorsport me thinks.

Cheers Lee.

Dazren

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22,612 posts

230 months

Sunday 25th August 2002
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Bloody Hell Lee, 485 lb ft of torque. I now find myself being in Ninja's situation:

"Wow! Wouldn't mind a ride in yours, mister!"

Are you up for a PH meet if we could sort out a few Ferraris and Porkers at a pub near some decent roads somewhere west of London.

I can see a great day of noisy barnstorming passenger rides and comparisons all in the name of science you understand.

DAZ

lee77

328 posts

246 months

Monday 26th August 2002
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I'm in Berkshire so always up for a meeting at a pub and to see some other decent cars.

Cheers

Lee.

bluesatin

3,111 posts

241 months

Monday 26th August 2002
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lee 77

There are loads of PH members around you. I have met several including domster (wycombe) grant tuscan (Wycombe), scoster (Wycombe) Strig and Ed T (Henley) plus others. Just keep a look out for the nest meet.

Guy

lee77

328 posts

246 months

Monday 26th August 2002
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lee 77

There are loads of PH members around you. I have met several including domster (wycombe) grant tuscan (Wycombe), scoster (Wycombe) Strig and Ed T (Henley) plus others. Just keep a look out for the nest meet.

Guy


I have just come back from Wycombe, QPR got beat 4-1
I will keep an eye out for the next meeting, would be good to meet with you guys.

Cheers

Lee.