Lambo Aventador SV or 458 Speciale?

[Osman-4a6z0]

Hi all,

So I am in a situation.

After owning and running a Ferrari 458 Italia for 6 months and a 1000 miles later I have decided to swiftly move on to something more super / special.

Currently I have a deposit (refundable) on a Lambo Aventador SV coupe in arancio atlas (metallic orange). It's with an authorised dealer.
It's a coupe, well sepc'd incl the comfort seats however has 8k on the clock. A genuine 1 owner car. Price negotiated £339k. No px.

On the other hand I have been offered a lovely Ferrari 458 Speciale (respected independent) with just under 1k on the clock, fully spec'd (all carbon exterior) for £330k and px £168k for my Italia.

I am in a situation because I really do not know which car to choose. I love the Ferrari as it's something amazing to drive and look at but it's not got the same drama and presence as the Lambo SV. The main things that matter to me are the overall excitement of driving the car and resale in 1-2 years. I don't want to loose tens of thousands on any car.

Any advice based on the above. Much appreciated.

UPDATE*** So far it seems we're on 10-2 (SV:Speciale).

Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Sunday 10th September 14:46

Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Sunday 10th September 15:41

Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Monday 11th September 11:05

[Yipper]

There's simply no competition.

The Aventador SV looks hypercar, has the billionaire doors, and is the 3rd fastest road car in the world.

The 458 Speciale is slower, and has nowhere near the looks or presence of an ASV.

If the market tanks post-Brexit, everything will lose money. Just buy and enjoy.

Aventador SV, all day long.

[mhh]

I own both a Speciale and an SV Roadster and had an SV Coupe. Also owned an Italia so know something of where OP is coming from. They are very different cars. If getting noticed on the high street is important, the SV for sure. For driving, the Speciale by a mile. The SV is too big, the gearbox too dim witted to compete with the Ferrari. It does sound and look incredible though. The Speciale can run to the shops and romp though the countryside with equal ease. In the real world, an SV wouldn't see which way it went.

Edited by mhh on Sunday 10th September 16:17

[Osman-4a6z0]

mhh said:

I own both a Speciale and an SV Roadster and had an SV Coupe. Also owned an Italia so know something of where OP is coming from. They are very different cars. If getting noticed on the high street is important, the SV for sure. For driving, the Speciale by a mile. The SV is too big, the gearbox too dim witted to compete with the Ferrari. It does sound and look incredible though. The Speciale can run to the shops and romp though the countryside with equal ease. In the real world, an SV wouldn't see which way it went.

Edited by mhh on Sunday 10th September 16:17

Thanks for the reply. The question is whether the Speciale will be different enough to the Italia to justify choosing it over the SV. Also the residuals / resale are important. Bearing in mind the Speciale is £90k over list. The AVS is £10k under list.

[RamboLambo]

Aventador SV all day. The fact you are coming from a 458 Italia will make it hard to justify twice the price for a Speciale and whilst its a better drivers car, when you are on it, than a SV it does not have anything like the same impact or drama.

[Cheib]

I know 458 Speciale's are very spec sensitive but is £330k a bit toppy for one of these at the moment ? I thought decent spec cars were a closer to £300k although looking there seem to be less on the market than there have been for a while so maybe I am wrong. Bloke I work with bought one maybe two years ago when prices were very strong....high spec in a historic colour etc which I know he paid £350k for. He thought he'd lost quite a bit on it based on a conversation with a dealer recently...

[MDL111]

For drama I think nothing competes with the SV. Agree with Lambo that the step up 458 to Speciale might not give enough differentiation even if undoubtedly the more special car

With regards to the money aspect, I would not buy either if you are thinking in 10s .... if bought either I would fully price in a 100k plus drop eventually (to maybe be recovered a decade down the line not inflation adjusted) - buying at what looks like a toppish market in a low rates environment and not doing so, is imo a bit on the aggressive side (esp if you drive the car). There are an awful lot of cars out there and a lot more coming down the line every day, so not sure there will be enough buyers to support all of those prices in the medium term

Edit: there are a lot fewer SVs than Speciales, so from a depreciation aspect I think that one might be better

Edited by MDL111 on Sunday 10th September 18:42

[sparta6]

Haven't yet driven the AVS, but the steering on the Speciale is very special indeed. The car also feels compact.

[Yipper]

mhh said:

I own both a Speciale and an SV Roadster and had an SV Coupe. Also owned an Italia so know something of where OP is coming from. They are very different cars. If getting noticed on the high street is important, the SV for sure. For driving, the Speciale by a mile. The SV is too big, the gearbox too dim witted to compete with the Ferrari. It does sound and look incredible though. The Speciale can run to the shops and romp though the countryside with equal ease. In the real world, an SV wouldn't see which way it went.

Edited by mhh on Sunday 10th September 16:17

On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.

For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.

[Ferruccio]

V12.

[cheddar]

mhh said:

For driving, the Speciale by a mile. The SV is too big, the gearbox too dim witted to compete with the Ferrari.

Edited by mhh on Sunday 10th September 16:17

That.

Hurucan Performante too common?

[sparta6]

Yipper said:

On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.

For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.

Circuits benefit from zero oncoming vehicles, parked cars, etc etc.

Unless the O/P is driving for points or prizes, 1 sec quicker over a 2.3 mile circuit is rather meaningless.

[Durzel]

Unless I'm missing something pretty obvious here, you're actually looking to drive these cars aren't you?

If so - you're comparing apples and oranges imo. The 1k mileage top money Speciale won't stay that way if you actually drive it, and because of the overs I'd suggest you'd lose a lot more, and fast, the more miles you put on it. The 8k SV on the other hand has already escaped the garage queen shackles so you wouldn't stand to lose your shirt if you actually y'know... drove it.

I wouldn't swap a 458 Italia for a 458 Speciale unless either a) the Speciale was cheap - relatively speaking - and had done some miles and was therefore now "a car to be driven" or b) I'd suddenly decided I didn't want to drive a supercar anymore and would rather just sit in it and go "vroom vroom".

For what it's worth, and to echo above, £330k sounds expensive for a Speciale nowadays. I can't imagine you seeing any change from £30k if you drove around the block and went back to that same dealer asking to chop it in.

[Durzel]

Yipper said:

On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.

For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.

A whole second quicker with an extra 140+ bhp.. what does that tell you?

[nickfrog]

Yipper said:

On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.

For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.

More to the point, what lap time would YOU get in either ?

Cars don't tend to drive themselves.

I can't honestly remember any post of yours that wasn't absurd.

[Never you mind]

Durzel said:

Yipper said:

On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.

For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.

A whole second quicker with an extra 140+ bhp.. what does that tell you?

That it is a big heavy lump of awesomeness?

[Ferruccio]

Durzel said:

Yipper said:

On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.

For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.

A whole second quicker with an extra 140+ bhp.. what does that tell you?

This sort of question is about what it feels like, looks and spirit, not a second here or there in the hands of a professional driver........

[Bunty Killa]

£10k under list for SV is a good deal

[MingtheMerciless]

Even though I would just love to chop my 458 in for a Speciale, I don't think I could pass over the SV. Agree on toppy price and necessity to keep mileage low in relation to Speciale to retain value (short Bitcoin reliant stocks and buy Bitcoin as a hedge or whatever instead and just drive the thing you bought to drive). Nice dilemma though. And while the criticisms that might be made of the SV (heavy, crap gearbox etc.), that V12 and Orange weapons grade event that is the Aventador will make you forget about the drawbacks soon enough I'd say.

Happy to do a month in each for you (including an exclusive opportunity for a back to back 'Ring and Spa comparison) and give a fulsome report to help you decide.

[WDISMYL]

I never understand why people ask a question that only the OP can possibly answer.

The fact that the marketplace is able to offer a wide variety of options is by definition because people have different tastes, wants and desires.

Ferrari fan boys will always shout for the speciale and likewise Lambo diehards will tout the SV.

And then Yipper will come along and give us his Walter Mitty perspective just to add to the mix.

Only the OP can possibly answer his own question.

My input would be :when the fear of depreciation becomes a factor then one is spending too much. Worrying about the cost of ownership on a luxury, not a necessity simply ruins the experience or at best dilutes it. But again in that respect we are all different and have different tolerances.

Which would I pick - the SV but what help is that?

Edited by WDISMYL on Monday 11th September 10:49