Lambo Aventador SV or 458 Speciale?
Discussion
MingtheMerciless said:
Even though I would just love to chop my 458 in for a Speciale, I don't think I could pass over the SV. Agree on toppy price and necessity to keep mileage low in relation to Speciale to retain value (short Bitcoin reliant stocks and buy Bitcoin as a hedge or whatever instead and just drive the thing you bought to drive). Nice dilemma though. And while the criticisms that might be made of the SV (heavy, crap gearbox etc.), that V12 and Orange weapons grade event that is the Aventador will make you forget about the drawbacks soon enough I'd say.
Happy to do a month in each for you (including an exclusive opportunity for a back to back 'Ring and Spa comparison) and give a fulsome report to help you decide.
I agree completely with that. I'd even go as far as to say that I'd probably accept it as an eccentricity. I don't suppose it's great in strict, sterile Top Trumps style comparisons with other cars, but shrug you're basically driving the Batmobile - concessions can be made.Happy to do a month in each for you (including an exclusive opportunity for a back to back 'Ring and Spa comparison) and give a fulsome report to help you decide.
Ferruccio said:
This sort of question is about what it feels like, looks and spirit, not a second here or there in the hands of a professional driver........
Don't get me wrong, I don't care about +/- a second and I think the Speciale and SV are two completely different cars, both brilliant. My point really was that it is 1 second quicker with 140bhp more, which gives some indication of how accomplished the Speciale is. Both are in their own way.Getting back to the OP's dilemma - it's a no-brainer imo given he's mentioned not wanting to lose loads of money. Buy a garage queen miles Speciale priced commensurately and drive it and you'll lose your shirt. Buy a £10k under list SV and drive it - and you'll lose a lot less.
Edited by Durzel on Monday 11th September 10:54
WDISMYL said:
I never understand why people ask a question that only the OP can possibly answer.
The fact that the marketplace is able to offer a wide variety of options is by definition because people have different tastes, wants and desires.
Ferrari fan boys will always shout for the speciale and likewise Lambo diehards will tout the SV.
And then Yipper will come along and give us his Walter Mitty perspective just to add to the mix.
Only the OP can possibly answer his own question.
My input would be :when the fear of depreciation becomes a factor then one is spending too much. Worrying about the cost of ownership on a luxury, not a necessity simply ruins the experience or at best dilutes it. But again in that respect we are all different and have different tolerances.
Which would I pick - the SV but what help is that?
It helps greatly - I agree with the overall decision being mine, however it's always worth finding out what supercar advocates / enthusiasts thoughts are given this type of conundrum to say the least.
In any case, I was leaning on the SV due to the deal (which is pretty decent if one were to research the market) - The Speciale has received some fanboy talk of it being earmarked to £500K but that's obviously not the case for now.
The fact that the marketplace is able to offer a wide variety of options is by definition because people have different tastes, wants and desires.
Ferrari fan boys will always shout for the speciale and likewise Lambo diehards will tout the SV.
And then Yipper will come along and give us his Walter Mitty perspective just to add to the mix.
Only the OP can possibly answer his own question.
My input would be :when the fear of depreciation becomes a factor then one is spending too much. Worrying about the cost of ownership on a luxury, not a necessity simply ruins the experience or at best dilutes it. But again in that respect we are all different and have different tolerances.
Which would I pick - the SV but what help is that?
It helps greatly - I agree with the overall decision being mine, however it's always worth finding out what supercar advocates / enthusiasts thoughts are given this type of conundrum to say the least.
In any case, I was leaning on the SV due to the deal (which is pretty decent if one were to research the market) - The Speciale has received some fanboy talk of it being earmarked to £500K but that's obviously not the case for now.
Edited by WDISMYL on Monday 11th September 10:49
If the Speciale was going to hit £500k I think it would've done so by now. It's possible of course, in much the same way as Jennifer Lawrence walking into my office wearing only a smile is, but I think if it was going to hit those kind of numbers it would've done so already. Even if it was, as said before, if you drive it you'll be ruling your car out of the running anyway.
Durzel said:
If the Speciale was going to hit £500k I think it would've done so by now. It's possible of course, in much the same way as Jennifer Lawrence walking into my office wearing only a smile is, but I think if it was going to hit those kind of numbers it would've done so already. Even if it was, as said before, if you drive it you'll be ruling your car out of the running anyway.
....and if you just want a car to put in your garage and polish while you wait for appreciation then both are probably not the first choice anyway Then I would probably recommend a 550 Barchetta (affordable V12 convertible) or a 670 SV (rarity) to stick with Lambo/Ferrari at comparable money
Durzel said:
Yipper said:
On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.
For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.
A whole second quicker with an extra 140+ bhp.. what does that tell you?For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.
If you enlarge the times to the bigger Nurburgring, you'll see the ASV is ~40secs faster than the stock 458 and ~20secs faster than 458 Speciale.
The Aventador is a horrible car to drive fast (soft and wallowy). The Aventador SV is a beautiful car to drive fast and in a different league altogether (agile and pointy).
Depends what you want the cars for as mhh said and how much you plan to drive them. For posing the SV is pretty much impossible to beat but for actual driving the speciale has the lambo licked imo, it's really a brilliant car and to me considerably better than the standard 458 but it has to be said, the example you are looking at is going to be quite mileage sensitive at under 1k.
Yipper said:
Durzel said:
Yipper said:
On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.
For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.
A whole second quicker with an extra 140+ bhp.. what does that tell you?For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.
If you enlarge the times to the bigger Nurburgring, you'll see the ASV is ~40secs faster than the stock 458 and ~20secs faster than 458 Speciale.
Yipper said:
Durzel said:
Yipper said:
On pretty much every track, long or short, wide or narrow, sweepy or twisty, the Aventador SV has destroyed the 458 Speciale.
For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.
A whole second quicker with an extra 140+ bhp.. what does that tell you?For example, the SV is ~1sec faster round the twisty, narrow, bike-friendly Sachsenring.
If you enlarge the times to the bigger Nurburgring, you'll see the ASV is ~40secs faster than the stock 458 and ~20secs faster than 458 Speciale.
The Aventador is a horrible car to drive fast (soft and wallowy). The Aventador SV is a beautiful car to drive fast and in a different league altogether (agile and pointy).
I would also want an SV - but not for the laptime, rather for the looks, V12, old gearbox as opposed to double clutch etc - lap times who cares, I (and most others) will likely never ever attempt to drive the car with a view to achieving a lap time and even if so most are probably not good enough drivers / reckless enough to drive it so close to the limit that it will matter - if nothing else then for self preservation thoughts
I think they are both reasonable stores of wealth, so you can ignore the investment return point as they will both do reasonably well.
Now, speaking as an observing punter rather than a driver. The answer would be ASV every time. The reason is simple - it makes everyone feel great - drivers and passers by. I have seen many Speciales on road and track - they are lovely cars but pretty much forgettable. I have only ever seen one ASV on the road, in motion. Let's not beat about the bush, it was absolutely bloody EPIC! The looks were outrageous, but the noise, OMG, the noise was pure theme park extravagance. It came past me on a dual carriageway at a reasonable pace and i followed it for a while. The noise. Did I mention that? I was grinning from ear to ear. And the pops bangs and flames on the over run and on downshifts was just phenomenal. The memory of that brief encounter will last a lifetime. Now imagine if you were the owner of that and you could experience it whenever you wanted? Priceless.
Now, speaking as an observing punter rather than a driver. The answer would be ASV every time. The reason is simple - it makes everyone feel great - drivers and passers by. I have seen many Speciales on road and track - they are lovely cars but pretty much forgettable. I have only ever seen one ASV on the road, in motion. Let's not beat about the bush, it was absolutely bloody EPIC! The looks were outrageous, but the noise, OMG, the noise was pure theme park extravagance. It came past me on a dual carriageway at a reasonable pace and i followed it for a while. The noise. Did I mention that? I was grinning from ear to ear. And the pops bangs and flames on the over run and on downshifts was just phenomenal. The memory of that brief encounter will last a lifetime. Now imagine if you were the owner of that and you could experience it whenever you wanted? Priceless.
subirg said:
I think they are both reasonable stores of wealth, so you can ignore the investment return point as they will both do reasonably well.
Now, speaking as an observing punter rather than a driver. The answer would be ASV every time. The reason is simple - it makes everyone feel great - drivers and passers by. I have seen many Speciales on road and track - they are lovely cars but pretty much forgettable. I have only ever seen one ASV on the road, in motion. Let's not beat about the bush, it was absolutely bloody EPIC! The looks were outrageous, but the noise, OMG, the noise was pure theme park extravagance. It came past me on a dual carriageway at a reasonable pace and i followed it for a while. The noise. Did I mention that? I was grinning from ear to ear. And the pops bangs and flames on the over run and on downshifts was just phenomenal. The memory of that brief encounter will last a lifetime. Now imagine if you were the owner of that and you could experience it whenever you wanted? Priceless.
Nice!Now, speaking as an observing punter rather than a driver. The answer would be ASV every time. The reason is simple - it makes everyone feel great - drivers and passers by. I have seen many Speciales on road and track - they are lovely cars but pretty much forgettable. I have only ever seen one ASV on the road, in motion. Let's not beat about the bush, it was absolutely bloody EPIC! The looks were outrageous, but the noise, OMG, the noise was pure theme park extravagance. It came past me on a dual carriageway at a reasonable pace and i followed it for a while. The noise. Did I mention that? I was grinning from ear to ear. And the pops bangs and flames on the over run and on downshifts was just phenomenal. The memory of that brief encounter will last a lifetime. Now imagine if you were the owner of that and you could experience it whenever you wanted? Priceless.
subirg said:
The noise. Did I mention that? I was grinning from ear to ear. And the pops bangs and flames on the over run and on downshifts was just phenomenal. The memory of that brief encounter will last a lifetime.
Pops and flames you say 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sOpG1P-GFI
I would personally go for the Speciale. That is based on my very biased and un-informed view:
- I have never driven an Aventador or a Speciale. Both are out of my price range
- I would prefer the car that gave me the best driving experience and required the most skill (I think that would be the Speciale)
- I would cringe if I ever parked an SV in central London as it has so many edges and carbon fiber bits that I would be paranoid that the slightest parking bump would cost me thousands
- If I were to look at it as an investment, I would blindly choose a Ferrari over a Lambo
- I have never driven an Aventador or a Speciale. Both are out of my price range
- I would prefer the car that gave me the best driving experience and required the most skill (I think that would be the Speciale)
- I would cringe if I ever parked an SV in central London as it has so many edges and carbon fiber bits that I would be paranoid that the slightest parking bump would cost me thousands
- If I were to look at it as an investment, I would blindly choose a Ferrari over a Lambo
Osman-4a6z0 said:
Hi all,
So I am in a situation.
After owning and running a Ferrari 458 Italia for 6 months and a 1000 miles later I have decided to swiftly move on to something more super / special.
Currently I have a deposit (refundable) on a Lambo Aventador SV coupe in arancio atlas (metallic orange). It's with an authorised dealer.
It's a coupe, well sepc'd incl the comfort seats however has 8k on the clock. A genuine 1 owner car. Price negotiated £339k. No px.
On the other hand I have been offered a lovely Ferrari 458 Speciale (respected independent) with just under 1k on the clock, fully spec'd (all carbon exterior) for £330k and px £168k for my Italia.
I am in a situation because I really do not know which car to choose. I love the Ferrari as it's something amazing to drive and look at but it's not got the same drama and presence as the Lambo SV. The main things that matter to me are the overall excitement of driving the car and resale in 1-2 years. I don't want to loose tens of thousands on any car.
Any advice based on the above. Much appreciated.
UPDATE*** So far it seems we're on 10-2 (SV:Speciale).
To quote Evo:So I am in a situation.
After owning and running a Ferrari 458 Italia for 6 months and a 1000 miles later I have decided to swiftly move on to something more super / special.
Currently I have a deposit (refundable) on a Lambo Aventador SV coupe in arancio atlas (metallic orange). It's with an authorised dealer.
It's a coupe, well sepc'd incl the comfort seats however has 8k on the clock. A genuine 1 owner car. Price negotiated £339k. No px.
On the other hand I have been offered a lovely Ferrari 458 Speciale (respected independent) with just under 1k on the clock, fully spec'd (all carbon exterior) for £330k and px £168k for my Italia.
I am in a situation because I really do not know which car to choose. I love the Ferrari as it's something amazing to drive and look at but it's not got the same drama and presence as the Lambo SV. The main things that matter to me are the overall excitement of driving the car and resale in 1-2 years. I don't want to loose tens of thousands on any car.
Any advice based on the above. Much appreciated.
UPDATE*** So far it seems we're on 10-2 (SV:Speciale).
Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Sunday 10th September 14:46
Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Sunday 10th September 15:41
Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Monday 11th September 11:05
Aventador SV For: More exciting than the standard Aventador. Against: ISR gearbox inconsistent.
458 Speciale For: evo Car of the Year 2014. Against: If you don't own a regular 458, nothing.
As for track times, EVO had the Speciale is 1:14.2 around Anglesey Coastal Circuit. They had a 918 Spyder doing it in 1:12.4 (and a 488 GTB in 1:12.8). I couldn't find a time for any Lambo.
No question about which more is dramatic for a drive past Harrods though. Happy driving whatever you choose.
Camlet said:
Osman-4a6z0 said:
Hi all,
So I am in a situation.
After owning and running a Ferrari 458 Italia for 6 months and a 1000 miles later I have decided to swiftly move on to something more super / special.
Currently I have a deposit (refundable) on a Lambo Aventador SV coupe in arancio atlas (metallic orange). It's with an authorised dealer.
It's a coupe, well sepc'd incl the comfort seats however has 8k on the clock. A genuine 1 owner car. Price negotiated £339k. No px.
On the other hand I have been offered a lovely Ferrari 458 Speciale (respected independent) with just under 1k on the clock, fully spec'd (all carbon exterior) for £330k and px £168k for my Italia.
I am in a situation because I really do not know which car to choose. I love the Ferrari as it's something amazing to drive and look at but it's not got the same drama and presence as the Lambo SV. The main things that matter to me are the overall excitement of driving the car and resale in 1-2 years. I don't want to loose tens of thousands on any car.
Any advice based on the above. Much appreciated.
UPDATE*** So far it seems we're on 10-2 (SV:Speciale).
To quote Evo:So I am in a situation.
After owning and running a Ferrari 458 Italia for 6 months and a 1000 miles later I have decided to swiftly move on to something more super / special.
Currently I have a deposit (refundable) on a Lambo Aventador SV coupe in arancio atlas (metallic orange). It's with an authorised dealer.
It's a coupe, well sepc'd incl the comfort seats however has 8k on the clock. A genuine 1 owner car. Price negotiated £339k. No px.
On the other hand I have been offered a lovely Ferrari 458 Speciale (respected independent) with just under 1k on the clock, fully spec'd (all carbon exterior) for £330k and px £168k for my Italia.
I am in a situation because I really do not know which car to choose. I love the Ferrari as it's something amazing to drive and look at but it's not got the same drama and presence as the Lambo SV. The main things that matter to me are the overall excitement of driving the car and resale in 1-2 years. I don't want to loose tens of thousands on any car.
Any advice based on the above. Much appreciated.
UPDATE*** So far it seems we're on 10-2 (SV:Speciale).
Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Sunday 10th September 14:46
Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Sunday 10th September 15:41
Edited by Osman-4a6z0 on Monday 11th September 11:05
Aventador SV For: More exciting than the standard Aventador. Against: ISR gearbox inconsistent.
458 Speciale For: evo Car of the Year 2014. Against: If you don't own a regular 458, nothing.
As for track times, EVO had the Speciale is 1:14.2 around Anglesey Coastal Circuit. They had a 918 Spyder doing it in 1:12.4 (and a 488 GTB in 1:12.8). I couldn't find a time for any Lambo.
No question about which more is dramatic for a drive past Harrods though. Happy driving whatever you choose.
OP nice problem to have, two fabulous cars to consider. I have owned both cars, I still have the Speciale. Putting mileage and values aside and purely based on road / track usability you can see which I chose. If I wished to satisfy the majority of non owners I have it wrong and they would be correct from their perspective I cannot argue with that. But from what I want from the car at a given moment in time then all but the drama sense I can get from the Speciale.
Every journey in the SV had to be carefully thought about due to the size, it's most definitely not a UK road friendly car.
Don't forget you will still have the balance of the Ferrari free service plan too.
Coming the monetary / mileage issue then only you can factor that in.
Good luck look forward to your choice
Every journey in the SV had to be carefully thought about due to the size, it's most definitely not a UK road friendly car.
Don't forget you will still have the balance of the Ferrari free service plan too.
Coming the monetary / mileage issue then only you can factor that in.
Good luck look forward to your choice
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