Is a McLaren 570s A Supercar?
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Turbo cab said:
Sounds about right.
I'm in mixed minds over the R8 performance parts edition and it's supercar status however, the old V8 would be obliterated by most modern hot hatches.
So would a testarossa, 355, countach, even a Diablo would get out-accelerated by some hot hatches. Does that mean they're not supercars?I'm in mixed minds over the R8 performance parts edition and it's supercar status however, the old V8 would be obliterated by most modern hot hatches.
What status bracket does the 'Turbo cab' fit in to?
The full 'supercar' thing is a ridiculous argument that gets played out on here time and time again.
Turbo cab said:
Sounds about right.
I'm in mixed minds over the R8 performance parts edition and it's supercar status however, the old V8 would be obliterated by most modern hot hatches.
I'm in mixed minds over the R8 performance parts edition and it's supercar status however, the old V8 would be obliterated by most modern hot hatches.
R8Steve said:
So would a testarossa, 355, countach, even a Diablo would get out-accelerated by some hot hatches. Does that mean they're not supercars?
Ahh you see these have now attained classic status but are "supercars" all the same so not really valid to this argument.R8Steve said:
What status bracket does the 'Turbo cab' fit in to?
General consensus is that its not however, the current Perf Spyder and 488 Spyder most definitely are - My Urus is questionable though but ive never been one for status and buying a car based upon that hence the old handle and profile pic,R8Steve said:
The full 'supercar' thing is a ridiculous argument that gets played out on here time and time again.
I suppose everyone is entitled to there opinion but Its mainly owners of certain cars that feel the need to consonantly bleet on about it to ascertain their "status bracket" as you put it.Adz man said:
How can it not be a Supercar?
Only because McLaren themselves were keen to present the 570s as a sports car. They pitched them in their 'sports' series with a view to them being a more affordable and exceptionally quick sports car in the same way Porsche do with the 911. According to the guys and girls who make them, the 570s is a sports car, and the 720s is a supercar.Personally I think it's a 'junior supercar'
LotusJas said:
(R8, no)
How so?I don’t really care how others classify may cars, they weren’t bought to talk about, but a mid-engined V10 putting out more than 109bhp/litre from a normally aspirated engine feels subjectively like a supercar to me.
What are your criteria for thinking otherwise, if you don’t mind me asking?
Tony-K said:
How so?
I don’t really care how others classify may cars, they weren’t bought to talk about, but a mid-engined V10 putting out more than 109bhp/litre from a normally aspirated engine feels subjectively like a supercar to me.
What are your criteria for thinking otherwise, if you don’t mind me asking?
its mostly just badge snobbery I don’t really care how others classify may cars, they weren’t bought to talk about, but a mid-engined V10 putting out more than 109bhp/litre from a normally aspirated engine feels subjectively like a supercar to me.
What are your criteria for thinking otherwise, if you don’t mind me asking?
The Surveyor said:
Only because McLaren themselves were keen to present the 570s as a sports car. They pitched them in their 'sports' series with a view to them being a more affordable and exceptionally quick sports car in the same way Porsche do with the 911. According to the guys and girls who make them, the 570s is a sports car, and the 720s is a supercar.
Personally I think it's a 'junior supercar'
I agree. Same as Gallardo, F430 etc. R8 is almost there too but not quitePersonally I think it's a 'junior supercar'
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Tony-K said:
How so?
I don’t really care how others classify may cars, they weren’t bought to talk about, but a mid-engined V10 putting out more than 109bhp/litre from a normally aspirated engine feels subjectively like a supercar to me.
What are your criteria for thinking otherwise, if you don’t mind me asking?
A Supercar is more than just a measure of performance. R8 fails on many of those criteria. Rarity, desirability, badge, and the acid test: bedroom poster material.I don’t really care how others classify may cars, they weren’t bought to talk about, but a mid-engined V10 putting out more than 109bhp/litre from a normally aspirated engine feels subjectively like a supercar to me.
What are your criteria for thinking otherwise, if you don’t mind me asking?
I'd also say enough people hold that opinion for it to be a fair conclusion that the R8 is definitely no supercar. Nor btw is a 911, except a handful of the rare special models e.g. GT2 RS. So I'm not singling out the R8.
Equally by any definition, back on topic, the 570S is 100% a supercar.
I never understand the 'definitiion' of 'supercar' - it seems to change constantly and its a bit ridiculous when you think about it, given that some of the criteria can bend an others can't..
To me, it has always been about a great sounding two door car, that is somewhat exotic. I.E. with a superior top speed / power figure, sub-par 0-60 time and the sort of thing you'd find in a 'top supercars' style book with a relatively significant price tag attached. The sort of thing that sacrifices practicality (read: legroom, bootspace, fuel economy, tyre/maintenance costs/intervals) for performance and aesthetics..
To me that includes the likes of V8 Vantages, 360's GTRs and the like.
But back to the 570, I think you've got to try quite hard to suggest it isn't firmly in supercar territory..
To me, it has always been about a great sounding two door car, that is somewhat exotic. I.E. with a superior top speed / power figure, sub-par 0-60 time and the sort of thing you'd find in a 'top supercars' style book with a relatively significant price tag attached. The sort of thing that sacrifices practicality (read: legroom, bootspace, fuel economy, tyre/maintenance costs/intervals) for performance and aesthetics..
To me that includes the likes of V8 Vantages, 360's GTRs and the like.
But back to the 570, I think you've got to try quite hard to suggest it isn't firmly in supercar territory..
Edited by up_shift on Wednesday 8th May 01:24
LotusJas said:
A Supercar is more than just a measure of performance. R8 fails on many of those criteria. Rarity, desirability, badge, and the acid test: bedroom poster material.
here we go again, so:Rarity, they are pretty rare by all accounts, Ferrari make what 7000 cars a year on roughly 3 models? R8 averages between 2-3000 sales per year? sounds about the same to me, its certainly not exponentially more common.
Desirability, i've you've ever been out and about in a R8 you'll know just how desirable they are, IME more-so that a Ferrari, especially with the Ladyz
Badge - like i said Badge snobbery, remind me whatt other supercar manufacturers Audi's parent group own?
oh and how many Le Mans races did Audi win again, before anyone talks about heritage 
Bedroom poster material - plenty of R8 posters available if you want one, really this is just an extension of the Desirability category.
i also just did a quick Google and Whatcar, Autocar, Autoexpress, Carwow and Evo Magazine all refer to the R8 as a "supercar"
Nano2nd said:
LotusJas said:
A Supercar is more than just a measure of performance. R8 fails on many of those criteria. Rarity, desirability, badge, and the acid test: bedroom poster material.
here we go again, so:Rarity, they are pretty rare by all accounts, Ferrari make what 7000 cars a year on roughly 3 models? R8 averages between 2-3000 sales per year? sounds about the same to me, its certainly not exponentially more common.
Desirability, i've you've ever been out and about in a R8 you'll know just how desirable they are, IME more-so that a Ferrari, especially with the Ladyz
Badge - like i said Badge snobbery, remind me whatt other supercar manufacturers Audi's parent group own?
oh and how many Le Mans races did Audi win again, before anyone talks about heritage Bedroom poster material - plenty of R8 posters available if you want one, really this is just an extension of the Desirability category.
i also just did a quick Google and Whatcar, Autocar, Autoexpress, Carwow and Evo Magazine all refer to the R8 as a "supercar"
The problem for the R8 is that it is designed with practicality in mind, it's a daily-driver, it's usable everyday, its the sensible 'safe' choice in the same way that a 911 or Nissan GT-R is. Safe, sensible, practical are just not terms to be applied to anything reporting to be a supercar IMHO.
The Surveyor said:
The dullest blue-collar car manufacturer Ford produces the GT (& GT40) which are total supercars in every way.
so what your saying is the badge has no impact on whether a car can or can't be a supercar? which is exactly my point, people saying an R8 isn't a supercar because its got an Audi badge is complete horse ****The Surveyor said:
The problem for the R8 is that it is designed with practicality in mind, it's a daily-driver, it's usable everyday, its the sensible 'safe' choice in the same way that a 911 or Nissan GT-R is. Safe, sensible, practical are just not terms to be applied to anything reporting to be a supercar IMHO.
that's a bit of a stretch isn't it, yes its very usable, mainly due to good engineering and comfort (doesn't McLaren purportedly have the excellent ride quality and comfort?) Practicality was not on the top of the priority list when they designed the R8 i'm sure, the bootspace is a joke and there very little interior space, its wide, its low, its thirsty, its expensive to run and expensive to own... both the cars you listed are a completely different ownership proposition - both have 4 seats for a start! There are plenty of people who use their Ferraris and McLarens everyday, does that make them less of a supercar? You probably wouldn't drive a Caterham or Exige everyday, it doesn't mean they are supercars because they weren't designed to usable everyday (appreciate there are some hardcore people that do DD them )Nano2nd said:
The Surveyor said:
The dullest blue-collar car manufacturer Ford produces the GT (& GT40) which are total supercars in every way.
so what your saying is the badge has no impact on whether a car can or can't be a supercar? which is exactly my point, people saying an R8 isn't a supercar because its got an Audi badge is complete horse **** Nano2nd said:
The Surveyor said:
The problem for the R8 is that it is designed with practicality in mind, it's a daily-driver, it's usable everyday, its the sensible 'safe' choice in the same way that a 911 or Nissan GT-R is. Safe, sensible, practical are just not terms to be applied to anything reporting to be a supercar IMHO.
that's a bit of a stretch isn't it, yes its very usable, mainly due to good engineering and comfort (doesn't McLaren purportedly have the excellent ride quality and comfort?) Practicality was not on the top of the priority list when they designed the R8 i'm sure, the bootspace is a joke and there very little interior space, its wide, its low, its thirsty, its expensive to run and expensive to own... both the cars you listed are a completely different ownership proposition - both have 4 seats for a start! There are plenty of people who use their Ferraris and McLarens everyday, does that make them less of a supercar? You probably wouldn't drive a Caterham or Exige everyday, it doesn't mean they are supercars because they weren't designed to usable everyday (appreciate there are some hardcore people that do DD them )Nano2nd said:
The Surveyor said:
The R8 looks like a TT
Its part of the argument which confirms supercar status for the Huracan, but not the R8. Essentially the same car, but one is seen as exciting, dangerous, decadent and driven by playboys, the other is seen as safe, reliable, sensible and driven by the playboys solicitor. Rightly or wrongly, the difference in perception being the brand values of the badge on the nose.
oo7ml said:
Gameface said:
oo7ml said:
Hi,
As per title, is the 570s a supercar?
I would consider it to be!
You must be bored.As per title, is the 570s a supercar?
I would consider it to be!
And your imaginary friend is going to base a 6 figure purchase on the back of what a bunch of complete strangers say on an internet forum he's not even part of?
Utter b
ks.av185 said:
Some 911s are sports cars.
Some 911s are supercars.
Equally some Mclarens are sports cars.
And some Mclarens are supercars.
The 570S is a sports car.
As is the R8 btw.
I nearly agree with all that, although I am struggling to agree that any 911 variant falls into my perception of 'supercar'. The Carrera GT and 959 are supercar Porsches, but even the likes of the GT2 RS, GT3 RS and Turbo S are still very much sports cars in concept IMHO. Very good, high spec and bonkers fast, but still a sports car due largely to the shared silhouette and lineage with the Carrera 2 etc.Some 911s are supercars.
Equally some Mclarens are sports cars.
And some Mclarens are supercars.
The 570S is a sports car.
As is the R8 btw.
up_shift said:
I never understand the 'definitiion' of 'supercar' - it seems to change constantly and its a bit ridiculous when you think about it, given that some of the criteria can bend an others can't..
To me, it has always been about a great sounding two door car, that is somewhat exotic. I.E. with a superior top speed / power figure, sub-par 0-60 time and the sort of thing you'd find in a 'top supercars' style book with a relatively significant price tag attached. The sort of thing that sacrifices practicality (read: legroom, bootspace, fuel economy, tyre/maintenance costs/intervals) for performance and aesthetics..
To me that includes the likes of V8 Vantages, 360's GTRs and the like.
But back to the 570, I think you've got to try quite hard to suggest it isn't firmly in supercar territory..
I can understand the argument regarding R8s - from a purely technical perspective the answer is no doubt yes. But I agree with some earlier posters - a "supercar" is about more than that - and a big part of it may indeed be "badge snobbery" - but that doesn't change the fact that your average man in the street would look at a Ferrari / McLaren / Lambo and think "supercar" but less so an R8 - regardless of how good the Audi is.To me, it has always been about a great sounding two door car, that is somewhat exotic. I.E. with a superior top speed / power figure, sub-par 0-60 time and the sort of thing you'd find in a 'top supercars' style book with a relatively significant price tag attached. The sort of thing that sacrifices practicality (read: legroom, bootspace, fuel economy, tyre/maintenance costs/intervals) for performance and aesthetics..
To me that includes the likes of V8 Vantages, 360's GTRs and the like.
But back to the 570, I think you've got to try quite hard to suggest it isn't firmly in supercar territory..
Edited by up_shift on Wednesday 8th May 01:24
On the other hand - in no world is a V8 Vantage a supercar!
(570 is though, definitely).
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