Is a McLaren 570s A Supercar?
Discussion
jakesmith said:
av185 said:
If you're going to spout about the R8 not being a supercar because it is an Audi, or looks like a TT or the other tedious cliches you roll out, then your car is just another Porsche like a 986 Boxster or a 996 C2 which is what most people will think it is anyway
Hilarious. You've went from 40 to 55 UK 2RS in the space of a page. The DVLA shows over a 100 cars in the UK and you're expecting people to believe that there are heaps of LHD cars brought here when europe list prices were vastly higher than the UK?
I'm happy to retract my post if you can provide anything definitive about number of UK cars outside of 'you say so'. And bear in mind last year you claimed that there were only 35 2rs and that there would be no more 3rs. And your predicted extra run of 2rs has turned out to be completely incorrect.
I'm happy to retract my post if you can provide anything definitive about number of UK cars outside of 'you say so'. And bear in mind last year you claimed that there were only 35 2rs and that there would be no more 3rs. And your predicted extra run of 2rs has turned out to be completely incorrect.
isaldiri said:
Hilarious. You've went from 40 to 55 UK 2RS in the space of a page. The DVLA shows over a 100 cars in the UK and you're expecting people to believe that there are heaps of LHD cars brought here when europe list prices were vastly higher than the UK?
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You do realise the DVLA numbers include imports so the 100 cars is relatively meaningless especially for a low run car like this..
And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
av185 said:
You do realise the DVLA numbers include imports so the 100 cars is relatively meaningless especially for a low run car like this.
And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
There is still absolutely zero basis to claim there are 55 or 40 or 35 2rs as you variously have. There were about 70 UK 991Rs. That was based on a global run of 991 cars only. The 2rs global production is probably near 2000 if not more and there is no way the UK would only have got 55 cars. Lhd cars have never been brought over in the kinds of numbers you are suggesting (euro cars weren't exactly a dime a dozen either and euro 2nd hand overs were high) for any Porsche GT car. And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
Again, I'm all ears to see how you can substantiate your claimed numbers.....
av185 said:
You do realise the DVLA numbers include imports so the 100 cars is relatively meaningless especially for a low run car like this.
And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
Have a look here to see what 'the youth' are into. Clue there's more R8s than Porsches I'm afraid to say And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
Audi is a very desirable brand with the youth you see
Definitive proof of the argument I am sure you will now have to agree
https://www.argos.co.uk/search/remote-control-car/...
jakesmith said:
av185 said:
You do realise the DVLA numbers include imports so the 100 cars is relatively meaningless especially for a low run car like this.
And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
Have a look here to see what 'the youth' are into. Clue there's more R8s than Porsches I'm afraid to say And the fact that the car was way more expensive in Europe is irrelevant. If someone wants one it would still be cheaper to pay higher European prices than UK prices plus premium. Supply and demand is a remarkable thing.
Audi is a very desirable brand with the youth you see
Definitive proof of the argument I am sure you will now have to agree
https://www.argos.co.uk/search/remote-control-car/...
Interesting to note there is no discount on buying a model GT3 RS but there is 25% off the R8.
Uncanny how Argos reflects true values and over supply in the real world for real cars lol.
Edited by av185 on Tuesday 14th May 20:32
av185 said:
Interesting to note there is no discount on buying a model GT3 RS
Apart from the '2 for £15' deal of course! As the bubble has clearly burst on these types of cars and greedy speculators run out of time on their precarious borrowing arrangements, I am confident that this is, in fact, a reflection of what will happen in the real market
Maybe time to sell up and buy something more sensible before you get burned - I believe you may have had your eye on an Evoque for a while?
jakesmith said:
Apart from the '2 for £15' deal of course!
As the bubble has clearly burst on these types of cars and greedy speculators run out of time on their precarious borrowing arrangements, I am confident that this is, in fact, a reflection of what will happen in the real market
Maybe time to sell up and buy something more sensible before you get burned - I believe you may have had your eye on an Evoque for a while?
Unlikely seeing as 4 year old+ GT3RS are still trading over list £.As the bubble has clearly burst on these types of cars and greedy speculators run out of time on their precarious borrowing arrangements, I am confident that this is, in fact, a reflection of what will happen in the real market
Maybe time to sell up and buy something more sensible before you get burned - I believe you may have had your eye on an Evoque for a while?
The only Evoques I keep seeing are all those on the C124PPY chav number plate thread....
:Desirability is a key factor in this debate naturally.....many supercars fail objective tests (sometimes through the passing of time). Most Lamborghinis are considered supercars of their era but many can now be out accelerated by M BMW or even a hot hatch.
I think if someone is motivated to take a photo of a car that is a good pointer....to most people the cars being argued about above are all out of range.
R8 V10 is a tough one, friend is a member of a supercars car club and says it’s the one that gets the most positive attention in many ways, common mans badge, supercar looks and all that. I think it will be my next car. Supercar, not sure though. Somehow just too sensible to be called one if that makes sense, epic as they are.
As for a 570, it’s much closer....and to most, I think it would be.....it would fulfil an ownership dream....for me included.
I think if someone is motivated to take a photo of a car that is a good pointer....to most people the cars being argued about above are all out of range.
R8 V10 is a tough one, friend is a member of a supercars car club and says it’s the one that gets the most positive attention in many ways, common mans badge, supercar looks and all that. I think it will be my next car. Supercar, not sure though. Somehow just too sensible to be called one if that makes sense, epic as they are.
As for a 570, it’s much closer....and to most, I think it would be.....it would fulfil an ownership dream....for me included.
Imo the biggest problem for the R8 is cost. An early V8/V10 can be had for peanuts. Same as a new Ford Galaxy. This means they're starting to pop-up on driveways in less privileged areas, usually by wannabees rather than true PHs. Means lots of crappy looking modified ones, huge wheels, after-market kits which massively dilutes the R8 appeal all the way up to a brand new V10+. The R8 is a cracking car, but a whole new customer demographic are buying early ones now. These people are generally not the type of person to put £40k into an older Ferrari or similar with much larger TCO. I guess it's the 'supercar' that your average Joe thinks, actually I could buy one of those and just about afford to run it. And there's nothing wrong in that BUT it goes directly against the idea of a supercar. Unobtainable to the masses
Edited by Pioneer on Friday 17th May 10:21
Pioneer said:
Imo the biggest problem for the R8 is cost. An early V8/V10 can be had for peanuts. Same as a new Ford Galaxy. This means they're starting to pop-up on driveways in less privileged areas, usually by wannabees rather than true PHs. Means lots of crappy looking modified ones, huge wheels, after-market kits which massively dilutes the R8 appeal all the way up to a brand new V10+. The R8 is a cracking car, but a whole new customer demographic are buying early ones now. These people are generally not the type of person to put £40k into an older Ferrari or similar with much larger TCO. I guess it's the 'supercar' that your average Joe thinks, actually I could buy one of those and just about afford to run it. And there's nothing wrong in that BUT it goes directly against the idea of a supercar. Unobtainable to the masses
But 360s, 355s were £30k+ a few years ago were they not supercars then? I nearly bought a 360 but decided on a 997 instead and they were both mid 30's. I wouldn't describe £50k as 'peanuts', remember 12C's are £70k now is that peanuts? Edited by Pioneer on Friday 17th May 10:21
The cost of a New Galaxy is £28k and many will be leased on low monthlies I'd say not really comparible
The ownership cost of an R8 is not as cheap as you'd think, I've had one since October and have spent £11k so far admittedly some on upgrades but still. Bit of bubbling on the bonnet = new bonnet fitted by Audi £3500. I managed a 70% goodwill contribution (pretty happy on an 11 year old car) but that's the only way to fix it properly due to where the corrosion was on an edge that tucks round. Respray & it would just have come back. Can't see it costing any more on a Ferarri
I think the main issue the R8 has in V8 form is that the performance wasn't at supercar level when it came out, only being comparable to the contemporary M3 or RS4. Needs to be a step above really IMO more like 0-60 in the 3's, like the V10 model.
Edited by jakesmith on Friday 17th May 18:09
The new GalaxyTitX is just over £40k. Go to the west midlands, lots and lots of young lads buying the best R8 they can for circa £40-50k. Then chavving them up if not already done and hooning around town at night. Sticking V10 badges on V8s. Not the same customer that would buy a 20 year old Ferrari which needs garaging, maintaining, tlc, not as fast, not as 'cool', not as reliable, practical etc etc. No issues with any of that but when little Jimmy next door, living with his mum and dad just bought a £45k V10 on some extortionate finance rate and spends the weekends sticking on carbon and leds while it's parked next to his dad's focus, it dilutes the whole 'supercar' status right up to the new V10+
Pioneer said:
lots and lots of young lads buying the best R8 they can for circa £40-50k. Then chavving them up if not already done and hooning around town at night.
how is that any different to those prats from the UAE hooning in lambos around Knightsbridge?Pioneer said:
but when little Jimmy next door, living with his mum and dad just bought a £45k V10 on some extortionate finance rate and spends the weekends sticking on carbon and leds while it's parked next to his dad's focus, it dilutes the whole 'supercar' status
is that really a thing... or just in your mind?Edited by Nano2nd on Sunday 19th May 10:33
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