Discussion
cayman-black said:
lol. yes. The 812 is going for around £100k more than the DBS sl though.
The 812 is most probably £80-100k more to buy though (if specced properly)A reasonably specced 812 would be £340k
A tailor made 812 with lots of carbon and a custom paint job can easily cost £400k
A fairly well specced DBS, with most options would be c. £260k
I can’t help feel the new DBS Superleggerra is getting a bit of unfair commentary in this thread, unless folks are referring to the old car.
The new DBS can’t and shouldn’t really be compared to the old DBS (2 generation old) or even the Vanquish, or Vanquish S (last gen)
In the same way as the 812 is a generation on from the F12 it replaces.
The new DBS is a BIG step on and from previous Aston’s in my opinion and feels much more modern in every respect, without losing any of the Aston brute charm and solid build quality feel.
It’s pretty damn quick too, with c720bhp and big torque figures, although it can struggle to get the power down on occasion (most occasions tbh).
The infotainment is very good and connects to phones etc very quickly.
Yes we all know it’s Mercedes, but it works really well and the reversing camera setup is the best I’ve used.
Nice having a large central screen to look at too, which the 812 doesn’t have as the screens are mounted either side of the Rev counter, which means the screen is behind the steering wheel, which isn’t ideal when turning the steering wheel (designers for you!)
I’d say the 812 (or F12) is a far more aggressive sporty GT, whereas the DBS is a much more relaxed but very capable cruiser GT.
The Ferrari engine wants to be thrashed all the time (the howl noise is unreal), whereas the DBS engine is happy to let everyone else just get on with it, but has a fantastic deep burble and pops and bangs on the over run.
Both 812 & DBS are truly great cars and I am genuinely in love with both. Re DBS, I wouldn’t listen to people’s ‘opinions (guesses) on the DBS unless those commenting have actually owned or driven one for any good amount of time, not just a 3 mile test drive.
If I was forced to choose between the two (812 v DBS), I’d say the Ferrari is a step up again, but then the Aston is achingly beautiful to look at from every angle, so it all depends on what your priorities are and what you look for .... a feisty Italian Mistress to play with for a while, or a good looking English girl who you can happily take home to mum.
But back to the original topic, comparing the F12 to the DBS (Assuming it’s new DBS), then you are trying to compare a new generation car, to an older generation car. The gap would be even less and would really depend on what you’re looking for in a car, which one you prefer looking at and which one makes you smile when you drive it. This is a tough call to compare the two, so a great question to post.
ferdi p said:
Not with that interior. Rossi and crema interiors are fine on 80s Ferraris but they don’t work on the modern ones. And the V12 cars look best in darker colours. IMO, Rossi Corsa is strictly a V8 colour....
ferdi p said:
ANOpax said:
Not with that interior.
Rossi and crema interiors are fine on 80s Ferraris but they don’t work on the modern ones. And the V12 cars look best in darker colours. IMO, Rossi Corsa is strictly a V8 colour....
I'm clearly an 80's boy then!Rossi and crema interiors are fine on 80s Ferraris but they don’t work on the modern ones. And the V12 cars look best in darker colours. IMO, Rossi Corsa is strictly a V8 colour....
I love them in red!
Given that the F12 is almost 100k cheaper (as a low mileage used buy) than the Superleggera and even more compared to the 812 I think it is a futile comparison. We have reached a point, where price and performance are no longer real differentiators and it is clear to see that the improvement from the F12 to the 812 is highly academic as you have pretty much reached the peak in terms of what is meaningful in todays world in terms of (usable) performance. This thread now talks about the quality of the infotainment system rather than the horsepower in differentiating the three models. Where we will we go from here as the performance envelope obviously has been exhausted is questionable ?. These brilliant cars in their own right have become too powerful and cannot be used as intended. I really think that the manufacturers have moved themselves into a cul de sac at the same time where the world is going electric. Interesting to see what is going to happen after the DBS or the Superfast.
hornbaek said:
Given that the F12 is almost 100k cheaper (as a low mileage used buy) than the Superleggera and even more compared to the 812 I think it is a futile comparison. We have reached a point, where price and performance are no longer real differentiators and it is clear to see that the improvement from the F12 to the 812 is highly academic as you have pretty much reached the peak in terms of what is meaningful in todays world in terms of (usable) performance. This thread now talks about the quality of the infotainment system rather than the horsepower in differentiating the three models. Where we will we go from here as the performance envelope obviously has been exhausted is questionable ?. These brilliant cars in their own right have become too powerful and cannot be used as intended. I really think that the manufacturers have moved themselves into a cul de sac at the same time where the world is going electric. Interesting to see what is going to happen after the DBS or the Superfast.
This was precisely my thought when I first spent some proper time in an F12 back in 2013. Over the course of several days I found myself watching the speedometer so much that it actually detracted slightly from my enjoyment of the car on some roads. One tiny twitch of the right foot and you are deep into some pretty ballistic speeds within seconds!hornbaek said:
Given that the F12 is almost 100k cheaper (as a low mileage used buy) than the Superleggera and even more compared to the 812 I think it is a futile comparison. We have reached a point, where price and performance are no longer real differentiators and it is clear to see that the improvement from the F12 to the 812 is highly academic as you have pretty much reached the peak in terms of what is meaningful in todays world in terms of (usable) performance. This thread now talks about the quality of the infotainment system rather than the horsepower in differentiating the three models. Where we will we go from here as the performance envelope obviously has been exhausted is questionable ?. These brilliant cars in their own right have become too powerful and cannot be used as intended. I really think that the manufacturers have moved themselves into a cul de sac at the same time where the world is going electric. Interesting to see what is going to happen after the DBS or the Superfast.
good point, the f12 was insanely powerful at the time of launch and it still isthis isn't like some 1980's 'gti' that at the time felt fast but isn't now, anything beyond the performance is largely silly.
hornbaek said:
Given that the F12 is almost 100k cheaper (as a low mileage used buy) than the Superleggera and even more compared to the 812 I think it is a futile comparison. We have reached a point, where price and performance are no longer real differentiators and it is clear to see that the improvement from the F12 to the 812 is highly academic as you have pretty much reached the peak in terms of what is meaningful in todays world in terms of (usable) performance. This thread now talks about the quality of the infotainment system rather than the horsepower in differentiating the three models. Where we will we go from here as the performance envelope obviously has been exhausted is questionable ?. These brilliant cars in their own right have become too powerful and cannot be used as intended. I really think that the manufacturers have moved themselves into a cul de sac at the same time where the world is going electric. Interesting to see what is going to happen after the DBS or the Superfast.
Sorry hornbaek but a low mileage F12 and a late second hand DBSsl are about the same price which is why i have asked about the F12 and not the 812 as a comparision. In fact a very nice F12 actually cost more than the AM.ferdi p said:
Yes not bad. I personally would want the carbon dash bits though, but still nice seats as well.cayman-black said:
Sorry hornbaek but a low mileage F12 and a late second hand DBSsl are about the same price which is why i have asked about the F12 and not the 812 as a comparision. In fact a very nice F12 actually cost more than the AM.
I understand your point. I don’t live in the UK anymore so the used prices on the Continent are very different from the ones in the UK. 
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