The 30k miles stigma
Discussion
JuniorD said:
Some prospective buyers might be happier buying a expensive "supercar" that's been clocked back to 29,999 miles over a far cheaper, genuine mileage one 
yep, lots of older supercars are getting clocked now- it just makes senseit's happening a lot with other older rarities too, clio v6's etc, simply so the owners can enjoy the cars without having to worry about devaluing them immensely
WCZ said:
JuniorD said:
Some prospective buyers might be happier buying a expensive "supercar" that's been clocked back to 29,999 miles over a far cheaper, genuine mileage one
yep, lots of older supercars are getting clocked now- it just makes senseit's happening a lot with other older rarities too, clio v6's etc, simply so the owners can enjoy the cars without having to worry about devaluing them immensely
Not much science to this ... but, in general at least
I'd venture that circa 30k is roughly where things like brake disks, pads, batteries, coolant changes, clutches, cam belts etc etc start to loom large on the horizon for supercars. BIG bills in many cases - particularly when considered as a % age of asking prices.
Even if you are really careful I'd venture that roughly 30k is about the age where the interior starts to look less than new / pristine. You can polish & PPF the exterior to your hearts content - but 30k is pretty sure to leave a bum print on your drivers seat and a polish on your steering wheel.
Final thought - Maybe its best to consider some sort of "supercar" multiplier factor on the odometer ?. 30k in one of these is not the same as 30k in your regular mainstream car. Everything works harder, everything is lighter (and usually more fragile), everything is made in smaller volumes, much more is done by hand. Supercars generally do lower mileages, so their designers design parts with higher performance but a shorter service life.
Mainstream cars are durability tested by tens of thousands of customers over millions (billions even ?) of miles during each design iteration - all of this data (warranties, parts sales, dealer service feedback etc) gets fed back into the system and utilized to improve future designs. In "supercar" world you could scale all this data back by at least 95%.
I'd venture that circa 30k is roughly where things like brake disks, pads, batteries, coolant changes, clutches, cam belts etc etc start to loom large on the horizon for supercars. BIG bills in many cases - particularly when considered as a % age of asking prices.
Even if you are really careful I'd venture that roughly 30k is about the age where the interior starts to look less than new / pristine. You can polish & PPF the exterior to your hearts content - but 30k is pretty sure to leave a bum print on your drivers seat and a polish on your steering wheel.
Final thought - Maybe its best to consider some sort of "supercar" multiplier factor on the odometer ?. 30k in one of these is not the same as 30k in your regular mainstream car. Everything works harder, everything is lighter (and usually more fragile), everything is made in smaller volumes, much more is done by hand. Supercars generally do lower mileages, so their designers design parts with higher performance but a shorter service life.
Mainstream cars are durability tested by tens of thousands of customers over millions (billions even ?) of miles during each design iteration - all of this data (warranties, parts sales, dealer service feedback etc) gets fed back into the system and utilized to improve future designs. In "supercar" world you could scale all this data back by at least 95%.
Edited by speedick on Tuesday 24th September 16:26
Edited by speedick on Tuesday 24th September 16:28
Us brits do take this more seriously than the euros as frequently all fezzas there have done in excess Of 30k miles.
I got out of my 360 with 34k miles and I can say it was very well serviced and priced accordingly for the mileage and it sold inside Of a month privately. (Before brexit)
I got out of my 360 with 34k miles and I can say it was very well serviced and priced accordingly for the mileage and it sold inside Of a month privately. (Before brexit)
The mileage thing is nonsense. There are cars out there that prove that the later cars will cover high miles e.g. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a23026167...
Crazy4557 said:
I have a great spec McLaren 570s bought this year as an approved used car with a years manufacturer warranty. It had 34k miles on it after just 2.5 years and was in mint unmarked condition. I’ll sell for between £75 and £80k next spring, it’ll be the cheapest one out there so I’m confident I’ll find a buyer reasonably quickly.
The mileage didn’t put me off at all, drives perfectly and a safer bet than a garage queen with silly low miles hiding lots of problems if it ever gets used in anger.
Was it an orange one from McLaren Birmingham?The mileage didn’t put me off at all, drives perfectly and a safer bet than a garage queen with silly low miles hiding lots of problems if it ever gets used in anger.
I rented a 458 in Dubai for a week a while back.
Promised a mint car, ended up with a 45k miler.
Some power steering pump noise. The car clearly wasn’t looked after. By my god was it still amazing. I ragged it everywhere in race mode, most others would have done the same I’m guessing.
The car was stunning in every way. Still handled well, engine revved like a bike. Given me comfort that when I jump into one soon, it will be treated far better so likely to last very well into the future.
The carbon ceramics were also very good. By comparison I did get to drive a 458 brand new with 1k on clock. Steering was of course sharper due to fresh track rods and damping a little tighter, but for a ragged example it wasn’t bad at all.
£30 for a full tank out there as well!
Promised a mint car, ended up with a 45k miler.
Some power steering pump noise. The car clearly wasn’t looked after. By my god was it still amazing. I ragged it everywhere in race mode, most others would have done the same I’m guessing.
The car was stunning in every way. Still handled well, engine revved like a bike. Given me comfort that when I jump into one soon, it will be treated far better so likely to last very well into the future.
The carbon ceramics were also very good. By comparison I did get to drive a 458 brand new with 1k on clock. Steering was of course sharper due to fresh track rods and damping a little tighter, but for a ragged example it wasn’t bad at all.
£30 for a full tank out there as well!
jayxx83 said:
I rented a 458 in Dubai for a week a while back.
Promised a mint car, ended up with a 45k miler.
Some power steering pump noise. The car clearly wasn’t looked after. By my god was it still amazing. I ragged it everywhere in race mode, most others would have done the same I’m guessing.
The car was stunning in every way. Still handled well, engine revved like a bike. Given me comfort that when I jump into one soon, it will be treated far better so likely to last very well into the future.
The carbon ceramics were also very good. By comparison I did get to drive a 458 brand new with 1k on clock. Steering was of course sharper due to fresh track rods and damping a little tighter, but for a ragged example it wasn’t bad at all.
£30 for a full tank out there as well!
I wonder if a tank of fuel in the UK (of super) was £30 rather than 100-130 how many more miles ferraris would end up doing a year? Promised a mint car, ended up with a 45k miler.
Some power steering pump noise. The car clearly wasn’t looked after. By my god was it still amazing. I ragged it everywhere in race mode, most others would have done the same I’m guessing.
The car was stunning in every way. Still handled well, engine revved like a bike. Given me comfort that when I jump into one soon, it will be treated far better so likely to last very well into the future.
The carbon ceramics were also very good. By comparison I did get to drive a 458 brand new with 1k on clock. Steering was of course sharper due to fresh track rods and damping a little tighter, but for a ragged example it wasn’t bad at all.
£30 for a full tank out there as well!
mattf93 said:
jayxx83 said:
I rented a 458 in Dubai for a week a while back.
Promised a mint car, ended up with a 45k miler.
Some power steering pump noise. The car clearly wasn’t looked after. By my god was it still amazing. I ragged it everywhere in race mode, most others would have done the same I’m guessing.
The car was stunning in every way. Still handled well, engine revved like a bike. Given me comfort that when I jump into one soon, it will be treated far better so likely to last very well into the future.
The carbon ceramics were also very good. By comparison I did get to drive a 458 brand new with 1k on clock. Steering was of course sharper due to fresh track rods and damping a little tighter, but for a ragged example it wasn’t bad at all.
£30 for a full tank out there as well!
I wonder if a tank of fuel in the UK (of super) was £30 rather than 100-130 how many more miles ferraris would end up doing a year? Promised a mint car, ended up with a 45k miler.
Some power steering pump noise. The car clearly wasn’t looked after. By my god was it still amazing. I ragged it everywhere in race mode, most others would have done the same I’m guessing.
The car was stunning in every way. Still handled well, engine revved like a bike. Given me comfort that when I jump into one soon, it will be treated far better so likely to last very well into the future.
The carbon ceramics were also very good. By comparison I did get to drive a 458 brand new with 1k on clock. Steering was of course sharper due to fresh track rods and damping a little tighter, but for a ragged example it wasn’t bad at all.
£30 for a full tank out there as well!
Personally I always prefer higher mileage cars, while not in the same league my 132k mile TVR has never let me down and it's pretty irrelevant how many miles I put on it.
Its a strange one, as I read time and time again people saying they prefer and look for higher miles cars. However from looking at the classifieds any Ferrari/Lamborghini etc with over 30k miles seems to sit around unsold for ages and only sells if the price is really cheap compared to others. I for one have always had cars which have highish miles but when selling them I always get the whole 'the mileage is too high' followed by a low-ball offer or no offer when I come to sell or trade it in.
In reality we know there's nothing wrong with a Ferrari with +30k miles on it, it's a load of nonsense where people have behaved like sheep and it's now become the norm for keeping the miles down.
When a lot of 40+ year old cars come onto the market there is less interest in what the mileage is, a restored car might of done over 100k miles but people would be more concerned with the quality of the restoration than the mileage.
If you buy F430 with low mileage, don't hardly use it, then decide to sell and find it hard to get your money back as there's so many other F430's for sale with low mileage. Was it worth buying in the first place, you ain't used it and your not even getting your money back?
When a lot of 40+ year old cars come onto the market there is less interest in what the mileage is, a restored car might of done over 100k miles but people would be more concerned with the quality of the restoration than the mileage.
If you buy F430 with low mileage, don't hardly use it, then decide to sell and find it hard to get your money back as there's so many other F430's for sale with low mileage. Was it worth buying in the first place, you ain't used it and your not even getting your money back?
hunter 66 said:
Used to be Ferrrari and Lambo that were milage sensitive...... now it is Porsche , hard to shift a GT model unless it has under 500 miles ..
I have done more than that on several GT Porsches. This is a question of what you value. I appreciate the low mileage people for their thing but there is another view- to spend a lot of time with a car and drive it hard and add some experience. I have a 12 year old RS with experience from new for instance. I like the shared experience. It’s a old friend with some road rash. Like me. 
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