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MJK 24

5,648 posts

235 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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£61k plus commission for an early MP4-12C with what I’m guessing is average mileage for an 8 year old example. Cheap or ‘on the money’ for the times we are currently living through?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-mclaren-m...

MJK 24

5,648 posts

235 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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^^^

Hmm, interesting user name for the vendor?!

Jonny TVR

4,533 posts

280 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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It looks a bit unloved and what a terrible colour combination.

MJK 24

5,648 posts

235 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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Jonny TVR said:
It looks a bit unloved and what a terrible colour combination.
Nice colours, but possibly not on the same car!

paul0843

1,914 posts

206 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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WojaWabbit said:
I'm all for dealer's trade/stock prices being public knowledge. More of this please.

£8k mark up on that Exige is bonkers imo.
Agreed,
Once you factor in all the overheads,car prep,warranty,profit margin and px contribution it’s not enough .

fridaypassion

8,504 posts

227 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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paul0843 said:
Agreed,
Once you factor in all the overheads,car prep,warranty,profit margin and px contribution it’s not enough .
To be clear that Exige was appalling. It was a track experience car in terrible condition. I would be interested to know what level of prep Targa Florio have done as I valued it at around £20000. It needed a respray/refresh inside I would guess it has no documented history too plus we haven't seen underneath it! £25k winning bid the owners must still be wiping the tears of laughter from their eyes!

I think CC need to be a bit careful that the platform isn't used to get strong money for ste. It looks to be a great option for high end cars with the capped fees. The guy that bought the £500k 911 has a good deal as normal auction houses would have inflated the price by many multiples of the £6000 CC charge.

Injecting a bit of DD into the listings would be a good idea.

f1ten

2,161 posts

152 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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Good buy that Mac. Interior colour not great but having owned one red leather car, it's not as bad as you think. Looks like only setas and door cards, so could be quite easily dyed black I reckon.

OSMojo

98 posts

74 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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The main problem for anyone listing their car on CC IMO is this very thread, people who have no intention of bidding and / or cannot afford to, slagging off and impacting seller's assets, questioning everything and anything, groundless scare mongering.

Then when you look at their 'garages' they either don't show one, or they have a 300zx 'lowered' with bake bean can exhausts and half of Halfords glued on it, and there they are slagging of someones Enzo "Are wouldn't buy it, naaa, too risky, I think it might have a broken chassis, I think it might be clocked, a mate of my mates dads cousin's mum told me it's not originally red, it was factory pink"

On CC you can only post questions if you are bidding, keeps out people who have no interest in the car, or who can't afford it. So they come on here and puke.

Edited by OSMojo on Saturday 28th November 20:14

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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OSMojo said:
The main problem for anyone listing their car on CC IMO is this very thread, people who have no intention of bidding and / or cannot afford to, slagging off and impacting seller's assets, questioning everything and anything, groundless scare mongering.

Then when you look at their 'garages' they either don't show one, or they have a 300zx 'lowered' with bake bean can exhausts and half of Halfords glued on it, and there they are slagging of someones Enzo "Are wouldn't buy it, naaa, too risky, I think it might have a broken chassis, I think it might be clocked, a mate of my mates dads cousin's mum told me it's not originally red, it was factory pink"

On CC you can only post questions if you are bidding, keeps out people who have no interest in the car, or who can't afford it. So they come on here and puke.

Edited by OSMojo on Saturday 28th November 20:14
Been thinking the same,CC have contacted me regarding listing a couple of my cars that i've been thinking about selling.

The two things that put me off is the open E mails and questions for all to read including any none buyers ,just watchers.

And the washer woman line that is the PH forum who have no interest in your car apart from bad mouthing it with no intention of buying
it or anyone else's for that matter, Apologies to all the genuine P H contributors .

For that reason alone have sat on the fence about entering them on said auction.

OSMojo

98 posts

74 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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rat rod said:
OSMojo said:
The main problem for anyone listing their car on CC IMO is this very thread, people who have no intention of bidding and / or cannot afford to, slagging off and impacting seller's assets, questioning everything and anything, groundless scare mongering.

Then when you look at their 'garages' they either don't show one, or they have a 300zx 'lowered' with bake bean can exhausts and half of Halfords glued on it, and there they are slagging of someones Enzo "Are wouldn't buy it, naaa, too risky, I think it might have a broken chassis, I think it might be clocked, a mate of my mates dads cousin's mum told me it's not originally red, it was factory pink"

On CC you can only post questions if you are bidding, keeps out people who have no interest in the car, or who can't afford it. So they come on here and puke.

Edited by OSMojo on Saturday 28th November 20:14
Been thinking the same,CC have contacted me regarding listing a couple of my cars that i've been thinking about selling.

The two things that put me off is the open E mails and questions for all to read including any none buyers ,just watchers.

And the washer woman line that is the PH forum who have no interest in your car apart from bad mouthing it with no intention of buying
it or anyone else's for that matter, Apologies to all the genuine P H contributors .

For that reason alone have sat on the fence about entering them on said auction.
They'd still have to have at least be registered bidders though (credit card on file etc). I second what you said, I too mean no offence to genuine PHers, but it is a problem with bitter dreamers.

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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OSMojo said:
They'd still have to have at least be registered bidders though (credit card on file etc). I second what you said, I too mean no offence to genuine PHers, but it is a problem with bitter dreamers.
I'm not a registered bidder and can read questions and answers but just can't ask a question myself until i register ,

Never very keen on leaving my card retails on the internet no matter how secure they tell me it is.

Just me ,l'm a dinosaur in this modern world,

Cheib

23,112 posts

174 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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rat rod said:
OSMojo said:
The main problem for anyone listing their car on CC IMO is this very thread, people who have no intention of bidding and / or cannot afford to, slagging off and impacting seller's assets, questioning everything and anything, groundless scare mongering.

Then when you look at their 'garages' they either don't show one, or they have a 300zx 'lowered' with bake bean can exhausts and half of Halfords glued on it, and there they are slagging of someones Enzo "Are wouldn't buy it, naaa, too risky, I think it might have a broken chassis, I think it might be clocked, a mate of my mates dads cousin's mum told me it's not originally red, it was factory pink"

On CC you can only post questions if you are bidding, keeps out people who have no interest in the car, or who can't afford it. So they come on here and puke.

Edited by OSMojo on Saturday 28th November 20:14
Been thinking the same,CC have contacted me regarding listing a couple of my cars that i've been thinking about selling.

The two things that put me off is the open E mails and questions for all to read including any none buyers ,just watchers.

And the washer woman line that is the PH forum who have no interest in your car apart from bad mouthing it with no intention of buying
it or anyone else's for that matter, Apologies to all the genuine P H contributors .

For that reason alone have sat on the fence about entering them on said auction.
The system works absolutely fine on Bring A Trailer and is left there in posterity for all cars whether they sell or not. I don’t know if there’s any moderation but I’ve looked at a few cars about which there has been healthy debate. I imagine if someone raises allegations of say historical damage without proof I imagine it gets deleted.

OSMojo

98 posts

74 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Cheib said:
The system works absolutely fine on Bring A Trailer and is left there in posterity for all cars whether they sell or not. I don’t know if there’s any moderation but I’ve looked at a few cars about which there has been healthy debate. I imagine if someone raises allegations of say historical damage without proof I imagine it gets deleted.
The comments on CC itself are reasonable (from the ones I have seen) probably because people commenting are serious about the car in question.

My post is specifically about this CC thread on PH as it gives anyone the chance to comment and ruin the reputation of assets without any repercussions, and that many of these commenters on PH have no desire or inclination to bid for nor probably the funds.

21ATS

1,100 posts

71 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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OSMojo said:
The comments on CC itself are reasonable (from the ones I have seen) probably because people commenting are serious about the car in question.

My post is specifically about this CC thread on PH as it gives anyone the chance to comment and ruin the reputation of assets without any repercussions, and that many of these commenters on PH have no desire or inclination to bid for nor probably the funds.
CC and PH monitor this thread. I know, I received a phone call from the owner of CC as a result of a conversation we were having on this thread, not about a specific vehicle but about how "managed" sales were being presented (I felt and still feel there is an element of misrepresentation and it's being used for motor traders to circumvent their legal obligations as a trader).

I was bidding on a car at the time, my screen name here is the same as my CC log in so I'm easy to find for CC. They reached out, we had a conversation and we agreed to disagree.

If it's a healthy debate or a reasonable question I see no problem. People are free to comment as they see fit on cars advertised for sale no matter what the platform.

Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 28th November 23:29

OSMojo

98 posts

74 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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21ATS said:
If it's a healthy debate or a reasonable question I see no problem. People are free to comment as they see fit on cars advertised for sale no matter what the platform.

Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 28th November 23:29
But that's precisely my point, on PH many times it is not 'healthy' or 'reasonable'. Furthermore, those who raise 'concerns' don't have any particular information privy only to them that they should be compelled to share, it's just public guess work, they have no interest in bidding on the car, nor maybe the funds, so why the questions? why the comments?

There are even comments by people ridiculing the colour combinations of vehicles for sale. Now if these people don't like let's say for example Lotus Esprit S2s in yellow, then they should go to the Lotus forum and declare it 'hello I'm Bill and I don't like yellow Esprits'. What these people should not do is wait for someone to list their pride and joy Yellow Esprit and then slag it off.

IMO even comments meant well, but by people who are not bidding, and have no knowledge of the car for auction should also stay out. essentially they have no business in commenting in the car. I wouldn't even dream of commenting negatively or raising a list of possible nightmares on a car I know nothing about that is in auction, why would I do that?



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DMZ

1,382 posts

159 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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This thread drives traffic to the site, keeps the interest going, etc etc etc. It would be a lot worse if no one cared. No such thing as bad publicity as you know. No one needs to use it, plenty of other ways to buy & sell, but it seems to work well. Some dreamers and haters are tagging along but that’s how it is.

OSMojo

98 posts

74 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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DMZ said:
This thread drives traffic to the site, keeps the interest going, etc etc etc. It would be a lot worse if no one cared. No such thing as bad publicity as you know. No one needs to use it, plenty of other ways to buy & sell, but it seems to work well. Some dreamers and haters are tagging along but that’s how it is.
Well possibly for the owners of CC you might be right, I honestly do not know. But for the owners of the cars in question I can't imagine it's anything but a nightmare, just a few jealous mugs finally able to feel better about themselves by slagging off a car they can never have.

Mezzanine

9,148 posts

218 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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OSMojo said:
DMZ said:
This thread drives traffic to the site, keeps the interest going, etc etc etc. It would be a lot worse if no one cared. No such thing as bad publicity as you know. No one needs to use it, plenty of other ways to buy & sell, but it seems to work well. Some dreamers and haters are tagging along but that’s how it is.
Well possibly for the owners of CC you might be right, I honestly do not know. But for the owners of the cars in question I can't imagine it's anything but a nightmare, just a few jealous mugs finally able to feel better about themselves by slagging off a car they can never have.
I would have faith that someone who was genuinely interested in a car would probably be grown up enough to be able to filter out the comments from the mugs and come to their own conclusions on the sale and whether a comment has any validity.


fridaypassion

8,504 posts

227 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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OSMojo said:
The main problem for anyone listing their car on CC IMO is this very thread, people who have no intention of bidding and / or cannot afford to, slagging off and impacting seller's assets, questioning everything and anything, groundless scare mongering.

Then when you look at their 'garages' they either don't show one, or they have a 300zx 'lowered' with bake bean can exhausts and half of Halfords glued on it, and there they are slagging of someones Enzo "Are wouldn't buy it, naaa, too risky, I think it might have a broken chassis, I think it might be clocked, a mate of my mates dads cousin's mum told me it's not originally red, it was factory pink"

On CC you can only post questions if you are bidding, keeps out people who have no interest in the car, or who can't afford it. So they come on here and puke.

Edited by OSMojo on Saturday 28th November 20:14
I doubt the buyer of a Pista will value the opinion of spare room dwellers on here!

To the chap complaining about trade sellers on CC sorry what's the problem here? I know some people just have a pathological hatred of the trade but if a trade seller puts a car to auction 2 things happen. Firstly and in my opinion quite rightly your consumer rights fall away. Secondly you are buying a car below its normal retail price (in most cases). You can't have it all. I sold a personal car on CC and would consider putting business stock on there but it wouldn't be an attempt to circumvent anything it would be to either clear overage stock or in some cases the platform might lend itself to a particular type of car. Evidently if you have an RS 911 you'd be a fool to retail it when you can get a very good result on CC with no hassle.

Also with regards to this thread every outlet for every car sale in the country is subject to scrutiny on here. CC are a young company and unless they have a howler of a sale that attracts some very negative publicity then having exposure on here can only be a good thing for them.

SFTWend

818 posts

74 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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If you put something on the internet there is every possibility it will be commented on elsewhere on the internet.

I think it's pretty easy to distinguish opinion from fact. If I had wanted to buy the Exige or manual 360 spyder commented on recently
I'd have welcomed finding out one was worn out and the other was major accident repaired.
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