Head gasket 20k miles?

Head gasket 20k miles?

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frenmor

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62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Dear PHers I wonder if anybody can help me. Around 2 years ago I bought a 20k mile 2013 VW polo from a major used car dealer. Since then I have only used it sparingly as a station car and done around 3k miles.

Unfortunately when driving today I had acrid steam coming out of the engine. I pulled over immediately and saw one side of the engine covered with a mix of oil and coolant. The coolant reservoir was still full, but there was oily water dripping under the car.

Obviously this suggests a cylinder head gasket failure to me and the RAC man concurred. I have had the car recovered to a local Indy and they will get back to me with their findings.

My question is: should it be a head gasket failure, do I have any recourse to the seller or VW themselves? Clearly a head gasket going after 20k miles and 5 years these days should be impossible without a serious manufacturing defect? What are vw likely to say if I take it to them?

What else could it be? The engine seemed to be running ok... no temp warning lights came on...

vsonix

3,858 posts

163 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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I would think that the Sale of Goods act might cover you in this circumstance as does it not say that to be 'fit for purpose' you should be able to expect six years' life out of something? However I am not sure if this applies to used cars...

DuraAce

4,240 posts

160 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Full service history on the car?

I don't imagine you've got a prayer to be honest! Nothing to be lost by asking VW for a contribution though. If you have not got full service visit then you have no chance.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

239 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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the short journeys that the car has being doing are more likely to have caused your issues rather than a manufacturing fault.
good luck , you never know. hope you get it sorted

frenmor

Original Poster:

62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Yep full service history...

I just can’t believe it’s a cylinder head gasket tho given car is so young... is there anything else it could be to cause the oil and coolant to mix? As I say no light came on on the dash....

frenmor

Original Poster:

62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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I know short journeys are bad for cars but surely not had enough to cook an engine in 3k miles? Assuming previous owner didn’t do same.... big assumption

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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vsonix said:
I would think that the Sale of Goods act might cover you in this circumstance as does it not say that to be 'fit for purpose' you should be able to expect six years' life out of something?
No, it doesn't. The Consumer Rights Act says that you can claim up to six years after purchase, but after six months you have to prove that the fault was present at the time of sale. Two years ago. If it was, then why's it been just fine for all that time?

Any potential legal recourse would be against the dealer it was bought from - there's certainly no recourse to VW, since there's never been any contract between the OP and VW UK.

frenmor said:
I know short journeys are bad for cars but surely not had enough to cook an engine in 3k miles?
23k miles, not 3k.

vsonix

3,858 posts

163 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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short journeys are bad for cars but not THAT bad. Plus as a Polo presumably it's meant as a town car more than a long distance cruiser anyway!

frenmor

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62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Sounds like I’m stuffed.... any idea how much Indy will charge me to skim the engine? £1k? £2k?

Stu-511

13 posts

80 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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frenmor said:
Sounds like I’m stuffed.... any idea how much Indy will charge me to skim the engine? £1k? £2k?
Everyone is probably going to blast me for saying this but you could use steel seal it really does work.

frenmor

Original Poster:

62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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By magic of Twitter I have got in contact with the CEO of the dealership network who sold me the car.... let’s see what they can do.

This social media fad may just take off

imagineifyeswill

1,226 posts

166 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Was it by any chance very frosty where you live this morning and was the oil and water on the belt end of the engine.

frenmor

Original Poster:

62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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It was frosty but not by time I set off. And yes it’s on the belt end of the engine.....

vsonix

3,858 posts

163 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Stu-511 said:
Everyone is probably going to blast me for saying this but you could use steel seal it really does work.
It does what it's meant to do but also risks clogging up loads of stuff that doesn't need sealing.

frenmor

Original Poster:

62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Steel seal is a false economy I guess... reduces resale value of car to zero

Suppose have no choice but to pay up for engine rebuild and try and see what I can get back off the dealer

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

198 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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vsonix said:
short journeys are bad for cars but not THAT bad. Plus as a Polo presumably it's meant as a town car more than a long distance cruiser anyway!
Yeah, short journeys won’t cause a cylinder gasket to fail. Another fault has probably led to this: corrosion or a failed cooling fan leading to overheating, to name but two options.

My mother in law’s Polo is 16 years old, has 30 odd thousand on the clock and has pretty much never left the town. It still runs beautifully, although it is regularly serviced.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

239 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Super Slo Mo said:
eah, short journeys won’t cause a cylinder gasket to fail. Another fault has probably led to this: corrosion or a failed cooling fan leading to overheating, to name but two options.

My mother in law’s Polo is 16 years old, has 30 odd thousand on the clock and has pretty much never left the town. It still runs beautifully, although it is regularly serviced.
i mentioned this as i have a friend whose girlfriend used to drive a couple of miles per day. the car rarely got up to operating temperature. i mistakenly thought this could be a similar issue.

mr slomo , what is that under the tarp? smile

frenmor

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62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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What was the question about frost/belt side about?

99hjhm

426 posts

186 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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TWO YEARS ago you purchased a then three year old car and now want to take it up with the people who sold it to you? Have you had any professional diagnosis?




Edited by 99hjhm on Saturday 27th January 17:34

frenmor

Original Poster:

62 posts

96 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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It’s with a garage at the moment being diagnosed but there aren’t many things (to my only semi educated brain) that it can be other than cylinder head... guess repair will be £1k+