Clutch / Gearbox issue
Discussion
Update.
I have the car at a local independent garage.
They have deduced "the clutch is heavy with age, slave cylinder not functioning correctly, recommend bleed slave cylinder and if no different replace it". This is all external to the gearbox.
The cylinder has been bled, air was found within it, and the issue remains. The cylinder is due to be replaced this afternoon, and hopefully that will at least improve the situation and by some more time. They have stated it may still be a new clutch but at least they are taken the small steps first that Kia would not.
This leaves me absolutely tamping mad with Kia. The main dealer we have bought 3 cars from in the last 10 years told me it was simply the clutch that needs replacing and no further tests could be carried out without pro longed deconstruction of the gearbox. A local garage have been able to inspect and carry out work on the cylinder which is external to the gearbox ... and this work seems like it should be covered under warranty.
So, I haven't got the car back yet, but fingers crossed. Total cost for that so far will be £170.
I have had a long chat with the "manager" at Kia. He was very defensive, saying they have given an honest opinion, and nobody is perfect etc - my main argument is that there was more that could be done by them, and there were smaller steps such as checking the cylinder which they could have suggested, but they didn't. My question to him was why was this not considered by them, or offered, and why were we brick walled into a one way avenue of "it is the clutch, gearbox needs to come out, the end". I also made the point that they have forced long term customers to go elsewhere to seek a remedy to a problem that is potentially covered under warranty.
Kia want to inspect the car and old parts and have suggested if it was just the cylinder they can offer a gesture of goodwill. But to me it is just not good enough. This is the first time we have ever approached Kia for any sort of issue, and it seems they have just shirked responsibility and selected the easiest most cost effective option for them. Unimpressed and my whole view of Kia has changed.
I have the car at a local independent garage.
They have deduced "the clutch is heavy with age, slave cylinder not functioning correctly, recommend bleed slave cylinder and if no different replace it". This is all external to the gearbox.
The cylinder has been bled, air was found within it, and the issue remains. The cylinder is due to be replaced this afternoon, and hopefully that will at least improve the situation and by some more time. They have stated it may still be a new clutch but at least they are taken the small steps first that Kia would not.
This leaves me absolutely tamping mad with Kia. The main dealer we have bought 3 cars from in the last 10 years told me it was simply the clutch that needs replacing and no further tests could be carried out without pro longed deconstruction of the gearbox. A local garage have been able to inspect and carry out work on the cylinder which is external to the gearbox ... and this work seems like it should be covered under warranty.
So, I haven't got the car back yet, but fingers crossed. Total cost for that so far will be £170.
I have had a long chat with the "manager" at Kia. He was very defensive, saying they have given an honest opinion, and nobody is perfect etc - my main argument is that there was more that could be done by them, and there were smaller steps such as checking the cylinder which they could have suggested, but they didn't. My question to him was why was this not considered by them, or offered, and why were we brick walled into a one way avenue of "it is the clutch, gearbox needs to come out, the end". I also made the point that they have forced long term customers to go elsewhere to seek a remedy to a problem that is potentially covered under warranty.
Kia want to inspect the car and old parts and have suggested if it was just the cylinder they can offer a gesture of goodwill. But to me it is just not good enough. This is the first time we have ever approached Kia for any sort of issue, and it seems they have just shirked responsibility and selected the easiest most cost effective option for them. Unimpressed and my whole view of Kia has changed.
At least it sounds like you've found a garage who will actually approach the problem sensibly !
Clutches do indeed get heavier with age from brand new, but it shouldnt be an extreme change. Usually not noticeable over time because you get used to it.
Only noticeable after a new clutch is fitted and pedal is almost always lighter again.
Clutches do indeed get heavier with age from brand new, but it shouldnt be an extreme change. Usually not noticeable over time because you get used to it.
Only noticeable after a new clutch is fitted and pedal is almost always lighter again.
Hi, I have the exact same problem with my kia ceed 2014 1.6 crdi. I have changed 3 piece clutch kit, changed the slave cylinder, master cylinder, master cylinder regulator, fork, yet strangely the problem still persists. Initially after the car is bleed, it runs perfectly for a few weeks and then slowly gear selection becomes a problem again, especially in reverse, 1st and 2nd. I have noticed if you press the clutch pedal with speed, it is much easier to get into gear. Any ideas?
We had the Ceed Clutch replaced. It cost 400 exactly through a friend who is a mechanic. Better than the 1500 daylight robbery Kia wanted. I just cannot understand how these car dealerships get away with these charges, and also why people are so stupid that they are prepared to pay. The problem has been resolved, but, the gearbox still feels a bit s
te. I concur that Kia's achille heel is their gearboxes - they are totally crap.
This has ben re-enforced by the symptoms I am now getting on my 20k mile Kia Picanto. Reverse on most occasions has to be rammed into - it feels like the gearbox is out of alignment and reverse gear is off to the side. It clicks into place once rammed, it truly is awful. No symptoms with the other gears really or the clutch, but just last week I noticed that going into 5th gear, there was a really weird limp feeling that I could not replicate, understand or explain. It felt like the stick was going to fall over. Of course, after then repeating the same movement time and time again, I couldn't replicate it. It did happen again the same day, just felt rubbish but in a way I can't describe. Again, Kia gearbox = made of butter. Seriously unimpressed. And forget the 7 year warranty - meaningless.
I now also have the most bizarre issue I have ever encountered with a car. At max speed around 100 mph and at the upper echelons of 5th gear( not on a public road obviously ) I get, on very rare occasions, I loud metallic alarm clock jangling that sounds like it's coming from a wheel arch. It is sudden, loud, and rings for a few seconds, before vanishing never to be a heard again. Its VERY unnerving and has happened 2 or 3 times now in 6 months. Its not quiet, and has to be something. If I didn't know cars well enough, I would think something was about to fall out the engine bay.
Done with Kia now.
te. I concur that Kia's achille heel is their gearboxes - they are totally crap.This has ben re-enforced by the symptoms I am now getting on my 20k mile Kia Picanto. Reverse on most occasions has to be rammed into - it feels like the gearbox is out of alignment and reverse gear is off to the side. It clicks into place once rammed, it truly is awful. No symptoms with the other gears really or the clutch, but just last week I noticed that going into 5th gear, there was a really weird limp feeling that I could not replicate, understand or explain. It felt like the stick was going to fall over. Of course, after then repeating the same movement time and time again, I couldn't replicate it. It did happen again the same day, just felt rubbish but in a way I can't describe. Again, Kia gearbox = made of butter. Seriously unimpressed. And forget the 7 year warranty - meaningless.
I now also have the most bizarre issue I have ever encountered with a car. At max speed around 100 mph and at the upper echelons of 5th gear( not on a public road obviously ) I get, on very rare occasions, I loud metallic alarm clock jangling that sounds like it's coming from a wheel arch. It is sudden, loud, and rings for a few seconds, before vanishing never to be a heard again. Its VERY unnerving and has happened 2 or 3 times now in 6 months. Its not quiet, and has to be something. If I didn't know cars well enough, I would think something was about to fall out the engine bay.
Done with Kia now.
Dizeee said:
We had the Ceed Clutch replaced. It cost 400 exactly through a friend who is a mechanic. Better than the 1500 daylight robbery Kia wanted. I just cannot understand how these car dealerships get away with these charges, and also why people are so stupid that they are prepared to pay. The problem has been resolved, but, the gearbox still feels a bit ste. I concur that Kia's achille heel is their gearboxes - they are totally crap.
This has ben re-enforced by the symptoms I am now getting on my 20k mile Kia Picanto. Reverse on most occasions has to be rammed into - it feels like the gearbox is out of alignment and reverse gear is off to the side. It clicks into place once rammed, it truly is awful. No symptoms with the other gears really or the clutch, but just last week I noticed that going into 5th gear, there was a really weird limp feeling that I could not replicate, understand or explain. It felt like the stick was going to fall over. Of course, after then repeating the same movement time and time again, I couldn't replicate it. It did happen again the same day, just felt rubbish but in a way I can't describe. Again, Kia gearbox = made of butter. Seriously unimpressed. And forget the 7 year warranty - meaningless.
I now also have the most bizarre issue I have ever encountered with a car. At max speed around 100 mph and at the upper echelons of 5th gear( not on a public road obviously ) I get, on very rare occasions, I loud metallic alarm clock jangling that sounds like it's coming from a wheel arch. It is sudden, loud, and rings for a few seconds, before vanishing never to be a heard again. Its VERY unnerving and has happened 2 or 3 times now in 6 months. Its not quiet, and has to be something. If I didn't know cars well enough, I would think something was about to fall out the engine bay.
Done with Kia now.
Yep I know how you feel, unfortunately clutch changed hasn't cured the problem in my carte. I concur that Kia's achille heel is their gearboxes - they are totally crap.This has ben re-enforced by the symptoms I am now getting on my 20k mile Kia Picanto. Reverse on most occasions has to be rammed into - it feels like the gearbox is out of alignment and reverse gear is off to the side. It clicks into place once rammed, it truly is awful. No symptoms with the other gears really or the clutch, but just last week I noticed that going into 5th gear, there was a really weird limp feeling that I could not replicate, understand or explain. It felt like the stick was going to fall over. Of course, after then repeating the same movement time and time again, I couldn't replicate it. It did happen again the same day, just felt rubbish but in a way I can't describe. Again, Kia gearbox = made of butter. Seriously unimpressed. And forget the 7 year warranty - meaningless.
I now also have the most bizarre issue I have ever encountered with a car. At max speed around 100 mph and at the upper echelons of 5th gear( not on a public road obviously ) I get, on very rare occasions, I loud metallic alarm clock jangling that sounds like it's coming from a wheel arch. It is sudden, loud, and rings for a few seconds, before vanishing never to be a heard again. Its VERY unnerving and has happened 2 or 3 times now in 6 months. Its not quiet, and has to be something. If I didn't know cars well enough, I would think something was about to fall out the engine bay.
Done with Kia now.
Dizeee said:
We had the Ceed Clutch replaced. It cost 400 exactly through a friend who is a mechanic. Better than the 1500 daylight robbery Kia wanted. I just cannot understand how these car dealerships get away with these charges,
Not defending them or their pricing but the difference could be that they automatically replace the DMF when they are in their.Dizeee said:
We had the Ceed Clutch replaced. It cost 400 exactly through a friend who is a mechanic. Better than the 1500 daylight robbery Kia wanted. I just cannot understand how these car dealerships get away with these charges, and also why people are so stupid that they are prepared to pay. The problem has been resolved, but, the gearbox still feels a bit ste. I concur that Kia's achille heel is their gearboxes - they are totally crap.
So you were hopping mad with Kia when they told you the clutch needed replacing, and it actually did need to be replaced?te. I concur that Kia's achille heel is their gearboxes - they are totally crap.Bought a 2019 Ceed and I'm having problems with either the clutch or the gearbox, not sure and the engineers don't want to open the gearbox since it just has 15k km done... And I keep getting the same problems once in a while (can never be sure when it will happen) with both reverse and 3rd gears... They get stuck and I need to come back to neutral..
My father has a 2019 Proceed with the same mechanics (1.6 136hp 6 manual transmission) and I drive it perfectly.. So, any help please?
My father has a 2019 Proceed with the same mechanics (1.6 136hp 6 manual transmission) and I drive it perfectly.. So, any help please?
Honestly I didn't give much importance and will try the car for a few more kms but will come back if it keeps the same or gets worse and won't be coming back after 20k kms I don't want them to annoy me saying that I neglected the car even if I have that claim in the first scheduled maintenance..
Yes, I've had a worse problem within the first 500 kms when the car wouldn't go above 2000 rpms under safety mode because the DPF wouldn't activate.. It was a big nuisance alright! I even threatened to give back the car and have them give me another one, I'm actually tired of Kia and their dealers then they overused the car without consent and all that... The importer? Didn't care... I won't buy another Kia that's for sure.
Yes, I've had a worse problem within the first 500 kms when the car wouldn't go above 2000 rpms under safety mode because the DPF wouldn't activate.. It was a big nuisance alright! I even threatened to give back the car and have them give me another one, I'm actually tired of Kia and their dealers then they overused the car without consent and all that... The importer? Didn't care... I won't buy another Kia that's for sure.
My 2015 Picanto, and I am pretty sure my wifes 13 plate Ceed, both have a really annoying problem at the moment. Mine especially.
First thing in the morning, the inside of the windscreen is frozen solid. Yesterday it still hadn't dried fully after a 35 mile trip into London. The entire windscreen is frozen water.
First thing in the morning, the inside of the windscreen is frozen solid. Yesterday it still hadn't dried fully after a 35 mile trip into London. The entire windscreen is frozen water.
Gassing Station | Engines & Drivetrain | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff