I am officially the worlds most p*ssed off person, Megane!
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robbocop33 said:
This is how i set the self adjusters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08aYbyejOm4
That video is absolute b'llocks. They compressed the pressure plate fully hence taking the adjuster springs to the end of their travel. You're only supposed to compress the pressure plate until it's flush with the flywheel with the friction plate already fitted. This brings the adjusting springs into the right place in their travel while you tighten the pressure plate bolts up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08aYbyejOm4
Mignon said:
Seen it, looks like his self adjusting springs(at 8 minutes 23 secs) are preset out of the box though, my Luk ones weren't!Haynes manual showed how to set the self adjusters before install, which i did.
Feel like i'm being a bit thick here? Haynes and the video i listed above i followed both used the same method without special tool? :-)
Mignon said:
That video is absolute b'llocks. They compressed the pressure plate fully hence taking the adjuster springs to the end of their travel. You're only supposed to compress the pressure plate until it's flush with the flywheel with the friction plate already fitted. This brings the adjusting springs into the right place in their travel while you tighten the pressure plate bolts up.
Ok, so basically my problem could be my green self adjusting springs are 'too' compressed then i take it?All i'll say is look at the very first pic of my clutch i posted, look at my green self adjusting springs, then look at this pic below taken directly from my Haynes manual, can you see why i feel i've done it correctly? I feel very frustrated. 
Thing that concerns me is despite using every method know to man i haven't been able to get a good clutch pedal(well i did in a roundabout way pullig up pedal by hand) despite no air being in the system(Renault service manual two stage method and even reverse bleeding) , so in reality i'm wondering if the slave cylinder is even doing it's job to disengage the clutch in the first place!
Even read last night people drilling a hole in their bellhousings to turn the sac if it's wrong in-situ! :-)
Even read last night people drilling a hole in their bellhousings to turn the sac if it's wrong in-situ! :-)
Edited by robbocop33 on Sunday 18th November 09:19
Mignon said:
Does the screen name mean you are a plod?
Second names Robertson, nickname Robbo, starting out years ago on t'internet struggling for a name(play on film character Robocop!) No more, no less, i'm a motorcycle instructor for the record.Anyway, just to make me even sicker, here's a pic from the holy grail fountain of all Renault knowledge, the actual service manual!
This, again, is how i done it, and note, done 'off' the car!
Edited by robbocop33 on Sunday 18th November 09:17
robbocop33 said:
Second names Robertson, nickname Robbo, starting out years ago on t'internet struggling for a name(play on film character Robocop!) No more, no less, i'm a motorcycle instructor for the record.
That's fine. I used to be one too. I hate cops though so no more help if you were one of those.
king about just to fit a clutch !!Mignon said:
That's fine. I used to be one too. I hate cops though so no more help if you were one of those.
Funny you should mention plod, i work beside two ex plod and they are complete, arrogant a-holes, they 'still' think they're in the force and try and make me jump around to whatever they say, i just ignore them, which usually involves in annoying them and them telling tales to the boss about me, thinking they've got clout and will be believed, boss doesn't have it though, he's sound! :-) Anyway, Megane 225 for sale!! Megane 225 for sale!! Just needs a functional clutch! :-)
Zoobeef said:
Sounds it's just clutch drag you're experiencing either through the pressure plate being backwards or you still have air in the slave cylinder.
Pressure plate is correct way round(pic of old and new clutch posted above) I've heard slave cylinders can leak internally? No fluid is leaking out the bellhousing. I read if you've bled it to death and can't get a pedal, master or slave are knackered. This car shares master cylinder for brakes and clutch. When i was bleeding it by the service manual, stage one is open bleed nipple and pump pedal constantly till no air, close nipple.
Then press down pedal, keep it down, open nipple, close nipple, clutch pedal up, repeat till sick
When doing the second stage 2 or 3 times it was fine, then sound of rushing air in fluid on 4th bleed, then 2 or 3 more pumps and on the 4th, again, one rush of air in fluid. Just never feels like you're getting anywhere!
Bled it for another hour or two yesterday, nothing, This new Sachs slave cylinder better not be faulty!
I know you'll all be thinking you should have taken it to a garage(they fack up too with these cars) , but if i had and they had this problem, i'd be paying for two clutch installs. :-)
robbocop33 said:
Pressure plate is correct way round(pic of old and new clutch posted above) I've heard slave cylinders can leak internally? No fluid is leaking out the bellhousing. I read if you've bled it to death and can't get a pedal, master or slave are knackered.
This car shares master cylinder for brakes and clutch. When i was bleeding it by the service manual, stage one is open bleed nipple and pump pedal constantly till no air, close nipple.
Then press down pedal, keep it down, open nipple, close nipple, clutch pedal up, repeat till sick
When doing the second stage 2 or 3 times it was fine, then sound of rushing air in fluid on 4th bleed, then 2 or 3 more pumps and on the 4th, again, one rush of air in fluid. Just never feels like you're getting anywhere!
Bled it for another hour or two yesterday, nothing, This new Sachs slave cylinder better not be faulty!
I know you'll all be thinking you should have taken it to a garage(they fack up too with these cars) , but if i had and they had this problem, i'd be paying for two clutch installs. :-)
it would be impossible to bolt the pressure plate on the wrong way round.This car shares master cylinder for brakes and clutch. When i was bleeding it by the service manual, stage one is open bleed nipple and pump pedal constantly till no air, close nipple.
Then press down pedal, keep it down, open nipple, close nipple, clutch pedal up, repeat till sick
When doing the second stage 2 or 3 times it was fine, then sound of rushing air in fluid on 4th bleed, then 2 or 3 more pumps and on the 4th, again, one rush of air in fluid. Just never feels like you're getting anywhere!
Bled it for another hour or two yesterday, nothing, This new Sachs slave cylinder better not be faulty!
I know you'll all be thinking you should have taken it to a garage(they fack up too with these cars) , but if i had and they had this problem, i'd be paying for two clutch installs. :-)
Friction plate is a different matter and there have been no images of that
Don't know why I said pressure plate. Doh.
Are they a concentric slave cylinder on those? Occasionally you'll get one that's a pain to bleed. As the fluid enters at the top of the box and the bleed nipple is also there so the fluid doesn't really have a reason to go down and push the air up.
Reverse pressure bleeding eventually sorted one perticularlyy stubborn one. I've always primed beforehand now by squeezing to get the air out and dipping it in tub of fluid and letting go to suck fluid in. Then fitting.
Are they a concentric slave cylinder on those? Occasionally you'll get one that's a pain to bleed. As the fluid enters at the top of the box and the bleed nipple is also there so the fluid doesn't really have a reason to go down and push the air up.
Reverse pressure bleeding eventually sorted one perticularlyy stubborn one. I've always primed beforehand now by squeezing to get the air out and dipping it in tub of fluid and letting go to suck fluid in. Then fitting.
Zoobeef said:
Don't know why I said pressure plate. Doh.
Are they a concentric slave cylinder on those? Occasionally you'll get one that's a pain to bleed. As the fluid enters at the top of the box and the bleed nipple is also there so the fluid doesn't really have a reason to go down and push the air up.
Reverse pressure bleeding eventually sorted one perticularlyy stubborn one. I've always primed beforehand now by squeezing to get the air out and dipping it in tub of fluid and letting go to suck fluid in. Then fitting.
As i mentioned above i did try to prime it beforehand, i do a helluva reading, video watching before i do anything, just to cover all eventualities. When i tried to prime it by dipping the end in fluid, and slowly pumping the cylinder, it wouldn't draw in fluud, nor expel bubbles?? Which haven't ever done it before, seemed odd?Are they a concentric slave cylinder on those? Occasionally you'll get one that's a pain to bleed. As the fluid enters at the top of the box and the bleed nipple is also there so the fluid doesn't really have a reason to go down and push the air up.
Reverse pressure bleeding eventually sorted one perticularlyy stubborn one. I've always primed beforehand now by squeezing to get the air out and dipping it in tub of fluid and letting go to suck fluid in. Then fitting.
Another odd thing was during the attempt at reverse bleeding there was a lot of back pressure! Even when i used the brake caliper nipple to feed fluid to the clutch bleed nipple to force fluid/air up to the master it didn't work, hose just shot off due to back pressure.
Im pretty sure regarding the clutch itself the Renault service manual i have and Haynes can't be wrong.
stevieturbo said:
it would be impossible to bolt the pressure plate on the wrong way round.
Friction plate is a different matter and there have been no images of that
You can see enough of the friction centre to know both pics are the same, and for the hell of it i turned it and it would't go on that way, plus, and this is the biggy, it's on the correct way! :-) Friction plate is a different matter and there have been no images of that
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