Engine overheated and died. Possible to un-seize?

Engine overheated and died. Possible to un-seize?

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vtchequers

Original Poster:

323 posts

54 months

Saturday 27th June
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HustleRussell said:
Yes because that would completely fix the engine laugh
You know what I mean!

The Spruce Goose

23,684 posts

151 months

Saturday 27th June
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vtchequers said:
It is an old Voyager Startech (04) 2.4 CRD. I don't think they put the 2.4 in the other Voyagers.
I can't find a 2.4 anywhere for this car. I think my only option would be to have the pistons and sleeves replaced.
According to wiki there never was a 2.4 CRD, it was 2.5.

There are loads of engines on ebay, but in honesty i would just scrap it get another minivan. They aren't know for reliability.

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-Chrysler-Voyager-2...

Boosted LS1

19,115 posts

216 months

Saturday 27th June
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vtchequers said:
stevieturbo said:
What's an accord got to do with a Chrysler ?

Really....it sounds like an old vehicle, probably real world limited value. And if he really thinks it's rare....possibly a known good engine will also be rare ( albeit it's probably not that rare )

Sadly all too often threads like this where someone needs an engine replaced by a garage almost always go the same way.
Either the replacement engine is fked, or the garage fks things up, or the engine was sold as the same and was different and everyone involved gets screwed.

Unless you have a known trustworthy and reputable mechanic...which by the fact you're asking silly things here seems unlikely...give up on it. Someone may want it for parts to help cut your losses.
And learn from it and don't drive on next time til everything is destroyed.
It is an old Voyager Startech (04) 2.4 CRD. I don't think they put the 2.4 in the other Voyagers.
I can't find a 2.4 anywhere for this car. I think my only option would be to have the pistons and sleeves replaced.
I vote we rebuild stonehenge first it has value.


stevieturbo

14,879 posts

203 months

Saturday 27th June
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vtchequers said:
It is an old Voyager Startech (04) 2.4 CRD. I don't think they put the 2.4 in the other Voyagers.
I can't find a 2.4 anywhere for this car. I think my only option would be to have the pistons and sleeves replaced.
In your expert opinion ?

Cut your losses before it costs you a fortune.

toast boy

1,216 posts

182 months

Sunday 28th June
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As others have said there's not a lot of information here to go on to diagnose what's wrong. It sounds like it's comprehensively knackered, though without knowing where exactly the coolant has gone it's hard to be sure exactly how bad it is. Have you taken the plugs out and tried to crank it by hand? If it turns over freely you could hope for a million to one chance, refill the fluids and start it from a known good battery. I doubt it's going to be a happy ending though...

A quick look on ebay suggests that these aren't worth a fortune, I'd suggest to have the engine rebuilt/replaced would be throwing good money after bad. Cut your losses and weigh it in. You could dismantle it yourself if you have the time and inclination but can't imagine there's a strong market for parts for them so could take you forever to break it.

dhutch

6,651 posts

153 months

Sunday 28th June
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HustleRussell said:
dhutch said:
the first port of call is an backstreet garage that undertake inexpensive engine rebuilds.
[shudder]
I shudder to, place near us often has BMWs in with the infamous snapped timing chain, engine in bits over the concrete floor, pissing oil into the unused pit. They once set a car alight doing the cills on the lift, but with that aside they have a good reputation and plenty of repeat customers. Having watched truck engines and gearboxes rebuilt in the same or worse conditions during my time working in Delhi I'm sure it works, and the car isn't going to worth paying dealer prices on! Few upmarket garages with fit an eBay engine for you.

Daniel

stevieturbo

14,879 posts

203 months

Sunday 28th June
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dhutch said:
Few upmarket garages with fit an eBay engine for you.

Daniel
No sensible mechanic would, unless it is clearly noted from the outset that any issues with that engine are the responsibility and at cost to the customer.

If the garage however chooses to supply/fit via that route, then all liabilities are on them.

dhutch

6,651 posts

153 months

Sunday 28th June
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stevieturbo said:
No sensible mechanic would, unless it is clearly noted from the outset that any issues with that engine are the responsibility and at cost to the customer.

If the garage however chooses to supply/fit via that route, then all liabilities are on them.
Indeed, although my point is, most won't at all even with caveats, and even fewer will source one for you.

However in the game of terminal engine damage on an inexpensive used car, the only sensible option is a suitable used engine. Which then means your options become limited to those willing and able to fit a used engine.

I had a good relationship with a BMW breakers near me who also did work on used BMWs, was a life saver really. Free OBD diagnostics, and a huge stock of used parts he was willing to fit and test, as well as huge knowledge of the vehicles and a willingness to find a problem and solve it. A failed parking sensor or lambda become £40 for diagnosis, replacement parts, and labour. He once fitted me a top hose at 7pm for £15 half an hour after it failed, which allowed me to go to work the following morning. I put a new one on at the next opportunity but where else can you get that service. Not even BMW or the AA will do that.

Daniel

bearman68

2,836 posts

88 months

Monday 29th June
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Just as aside, the engine pictured looks like a Jeep or LDV engine. Typically these are reasonably expensive at least £500, usually more. The 2.8 will also fit.
With fitting, that can't be less than £1100 or so, with quite a lot of hassle. Surely there's a Galaxy or something out there for that kind of money. £100 for the car, total budget £1200, and that's quite a respectable shed.

Just thinking.

colin_p

2,757 posts

168 months

Monday 29th June
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You can do the basics yourself, glow plugs out, turn it over by hand with a spanner on the crank pulley.

If it moves then possibly move on to a compression test.

But it does sound like a candidate for melting down and making into a boat anchor.

stevieturbo

14,879 posts

203 months

Monday 29th June
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dhutch said:
However in the game of terminal engine damage on an inexpensive used car, the only sensible option is a suitable used engine.

Daniel
Only sensible option is scrap it or find someone to buy it and let it be their problem to change engines
If a good version is worth little...it makes no sense throwing a ton of money at it.

PistonAFC

108 posts

4 months

Tuesday 30th June
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vtchequers said:
Is it possible to unseize this?

The story-

Was heading back from a round trip to Manchester from Leicester.
I was on the A50 heading toward Uttoxeter (on the way back to Leicester) when the car decided to die.
I managed to make it to a layby.
Pulled the hood and there was steam coming from the engine.
The engine temp gauge was on the red and the coolant tank was empty! the oil light was also on even though the oil level was between min and max. maybe a faulty oil pump?
The coolant tank was empty!
Called out the RAC who trailered the car back to Leicester.

Tried starting the car the next day and all I got was a clunk.

I once owned a Vauxhall Zafira MK1 that went into limp mode because of a lack of engine oil!!
what did the RAC man tell you?

cuprabob

9,030 posts

170 months

Tuesday 30th June
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PistonAFC said:
what did the RAC man tell you?
Call the AA hehe

vtchequers

Original Poster:

323 posts

54 months

Wednesday 1st July
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PistonAFC said:
what did the RAC man tell you?
The RAC man knew nothing about cars. His only job is transport from point A to point B.

vtchequers

Original Poster:

323 posts

54 months

Wednesday 1st July
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The Spruce Goose said:
According to wiki there never was a 2.4 CRD, it was 2.5.

There are loads of engines on ebay, but in honesty i would just scrap it get another minivan. They aren't know for reliability.

225
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-Chrysler-Voyager-2...
It looks like you may be right!

vtchequers

Original Poster:

323 posts

54 months

Wednesday 1st July
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I know general consensus is to scrap it and buy another cheap 7 seater, but what problems would the replacement have? Has anyone, in the history of buying used cars, ever bought one with no problems?

I won't take it to a garage. I'm actually planning on fixing it myself!


sunbeam alpine

5,326 posts

144 months

Wednesday 1st July
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vtchequers said:
I know general consensus is to scrap it and buy another cheap 7 seater, but what problems would the replacement have? Has anyone, in the history of buying used cars, ever bought one with no problems?

I won't take it to a garage. I'm actually planning on fixing it myself!
Why not? Your original post suggests you're from Leicester, so you won't be going anywhere for a while!

smile

vtchequers

Original Poster:

323 posts

54 months

Wednesday 1st July
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sunbeam alpine said:
Why not? Your original post suggests you're from Leicester, so you won't be going anywhere for a while!

smile
Very good!!





vtchequers

Original Poster:

323 posts

54 months

Saturday 18th July
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It now turns one full revolution per one and a half seconds.


dhutch

6,651 posts

153 months

Saturday 18th July
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vtchequers said:
It now turns one full revolution per one and a half seconds.
40rpm....