How relevant are tyre tests in the real world? Worried!!

How relevant are tyre tests in the real world? Worried!!

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sat1983

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1,208 posts

157 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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I'm slightly concerned about my latest purchase, the All Season Pirelli SF2's.

They finished 14th in this German test:

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Auto-Bild...

However this test, on the same website ranks it 2nd, which is the one I based my purchase on:

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Tyre-Revi...

Firstly- can't quite understand how the same tyre can result so differently?

Are most All Season premium branded tyres neck and neck in everyday situations?

V8mate

45,207 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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sat1983 said:
Are most All Season premium branded tyres neck and neck in everyday situations?
No. The answer is always the most recent version of Michelin CrossClimate.

Bill

46,907 posts

228 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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sat1983 said:
I'm slightly concerned about my latest purchase, the All Season Pirelli SF2's.

They finished 14th in this German test:

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Auto-Bild...

However this test, on the same website ranks it 2nd, which is the one I based my purchase on:

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Tyre-Revi...

Firstly- can't quite understand how the same tyre can result so differently?

Are most All Season premium branded tyres neck and neck in everyday situations?
Tyrereviews explains the differences in testing/scoring in the first link.

sat1983

Original Poster:

1,208 posts

157 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Bill said:
Tyrereviews explains the differences in testing/scoring in the first link.
"The Pirelli Cinturato All Season SF2 lost a lot of points in this test due to the worst wet braking and wet handling in this test, compared to the Tyre Reviews test where it had reasonable wet performance. This is harder to explain, but could again be a function of the low grip surface of the tracks or the tyre size differences."

Still doesn't speak volumes to me- the bottom line I want to know as a consumer is "Have I bought the right tyre or not? as based on those two tests it seems very inconclusive.

Would have loved the Michelin or the others but they didn't have the size I needed.

E-bmw

6,620 posts

125 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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sat1983 said:
Bill said:
Tyrereviews explains the differences in testing/scoring in the first link.
"The Pirelli Cinturato All Season SF2 lost a lot of points in this test due to the worst wet braking and wet handling in this test, compared to the Tyre Reviews test where it had reasonable wet performance. This is harder to explain, but could again be a function of the low grip surface of the tracks or the tyre size differences."
Or quite simply the tyres it was up against/the method of testing being different in each test.

Pica-Pica

9,587 posts

57 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Wet performance trumps everything in the U.K. (unless you live in the highlands where specific winter tyres are probably advisable). After that, then the other performances are dependent on your own circumstances. Distance travelling may make noise and comfort next most important; maybe dry handling if you push your car. As another poster almost said, the answer for all-seasons is always … Vredestein.

dhutch

9,894 posts

170 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Its also worth noting that 14th, in a test containing a load of good tyres, is still going to a shed load better than most budget tyres.

Testing wet performance at 22 deg rather than at 4 deg will also potentially really depend on the rubber compound.

wyson

264 posts

77 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Manufacturers often update tyres in mid life without telling anyone. Can make a massive difference to their overall ranking. I suspect they did this here.

Different sizes can have different constructions, the tread might work better at different widths, also affecting results.

So, in your situation, I’d look at the manufacturing date and size. If its a newer tyre at a similar size to the 2nd place test, I’d rest easy. If its closer to the larger tyre in the 14th placed test and has an older manufacturing date, like they were made more than a year ago, I’d worry.

Edited by wyson on Wednesday 24th November 11:28

paddy1970

255 posts

82 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Do you still believe in testing?

There are 4 main problems:
1) Tyre size affect performance
2) Slight differences in temperature & conditions greatly affect the results
3) Manufacturers may provide "prepared" tyres
4) Conflict of interest from testers.

So I have long ignored test reviews and either bought and tried tyres myself or rely on feedback from friends....

The same applies to cars, motorbikes....

mmm-five

9,878 posts

257 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Doesn't matter what the reviews say, as you've bought them already wink

sat1983

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1,208 posts

157 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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mmm-five said:
Doesn't matter what the reviews say, as you've bought them already wink
I can cancel the order today smile

Thanks for the feedback so far. Let's face it- those tyres and 4WD should easily see my car through the UK weather!

Maybe I'm focusing far too much on the reviews. If it came reviewed 2nd by a well respected reviewer- can't be too bad.

Monkeylegend

22,712 posts

204 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Just drive a bit more carefully in the wet.

E-bmw

6,620 posts

125 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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On a slightly related subject it always surprises me how few "winter" tyres are actually A rated for wet performance & perform anywhere near a good
"summer" tyre in these comparisons in wet weather tests.

dhutch

9,894 posts

170 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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E-bmw said:
On a slightly related subject it always surprises me how few "winter" tyres are actually A rated for wet performance & perform anywhere near a good
"summer" tyre in these comparisons in wet weather tests.
I can only assume that the tread and compound required for snow is not idea for very wet weather?




E-bmw

6,620 posts

125 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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dhutch said:
I can only assume that the tread and compound required for snow is not idea for very wet weather?
You may well be right, my only explanation also.

GreenV8S

29,120 posts

257 months

Thursday 25th November 2021
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sat1983 said:
Let's face it- those tyres and 4WD should easily see my car through the UK weather!
None of the options will be terrible.

I doubt that any of the people testing tyres could tell you which tyre they were driving in a real-world environment and I doubt that a typical driver would be able to tell the difference at all. And even if you suppose the performance difference could be as much as 10% under some specific conditions, no sensible person would drive so that this 10% mattered. It's not as if everyone immediately falls off the road when conditions get bad. You drive within the grip you have.

dhutch

9,894 posts

170 months

Thursday 25th November 2021
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GreenV8S said:
I doubt that any of the people testing tyres could tell you which tyre they were driving in a real-world environment and I doubt that a typical driver would be able to tell the difference at all. And even if you suppose the performance difference could be as much as 10% under some specific conditions, no sensible person would drive so that this 10% mattered. It's not as if everyone immediately falls off the road when conditions get bad. You drive within the grip you have.
I am sure.