She lives ! / X flow timing question ......

She lives ! / X flow timing question ......

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nevpugh308

Original Poster:

4,398 posts

269 months

Wednesday 28th May 2003
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Well .... of course a possability that it's electrical. However :

1) I've tried a new (old) sensor, no difference.
2) The little temp gauge stickers put on the core plugs by the engine rebuilders have registered temperatures > 100 degrees
3) When the temperature goes up to 105 or so, the oil pressure takes a dive by 1 bar or so (cheap running in oil)
4) With no thermostat the temperature is stable and consistent .... just way too cold !

Thanks all though for the ideas ....

zefarelly

229 posts

257 months

Wednesday 28th May 2003
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have you tried a range of thermostats?

nevpugh308

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4,398 posts

269 months

Wednesday 28th May 2003
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It's funny you should say that zefarelly ....

Success ! And the cause ?

Well, we all know rule 1 which is :

RULE 1 : just because a part is brand new, dont assume it's okay.

Well, I'm going to add rule 2 :

RULE 2 : just because you buy your parts from a long standing X flow expert, dont assume that the part they supply is the right one !


Whipped the new thermostat out of the car, and compared it to the old thermostat out of the blown engine .... and guess what, the old thermostat is rated at 74 degrees, the new one at 88 ! Popped in the old thermostat and yup, you've guessed it, problem solved. Have just done about 85 miles in her, with a rock steady gauge reading of 80 degrees ... sorted !

Though I'm a bit confused as to why the temperature fluctuated ... perhaps because the new thermostat's opening temperature was so high, the engine would heat up, get too hot, eventually reach the thermostat's opening temperature, which would open and let a flood of cold water through from the radiator, then the thermostat would close up again, until the engine had heated this next batch of water up ... dunno, just guessing.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and help

zefarelly

229 posts

257 months

Thursday 29th May 2003
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good news! . . .I had a similar problem last year with fluctuating temps . . . .it turned out to be oil on the fan belt masking it slip intermitently . . .took me a while to sort . . .but these things are sent to try us, now Im ready for a good thrash to LeMans

nevpugh308

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4,398 posts

269 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Well, the saga continues .... and I'm really losing faith in this car now .....

As you remember, I found that putting another thermostat in solved the cooling fluctuation.

Well, the car is in for it's rolling road session today. The garage has just rung me, and has stopped the RR coz she was pressurising her coolant at high revs. A quick test later, and they've confirmed that the head gasket has gone !!!

This means that either

a) I've warped the head when I had the wrong thermostat in, and f**ked it then (but it was only a 88 degree thermostat), or

b) putting the cooler (74 deg) thermostat in has masked the problem, and it's been there since the rebuild

They're trying to retorque the head (which it would have needed shortly anyway) to see if that solves it .... otherwise it's back to the engine builders ...

{sob}

nevpugh308

Original Poster:

4,398 posts

269 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Retorquing did nothing. Number 3 piston is lagging in water. Engine temperature gauges (stick on thingies on the core plugs) prove that the engine has not overheated enough to warp anything. So it's a build problem.

{sob2}

deltaf

6,806 posts

253 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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How bout a naming and shaming session mate?
So as we can avoid such "shady" characters in the future? Hm? Go on, you know you wanna!

So have ya ripped the head off it to have a look inside?
Id be all over the dammed thing!!

nevpugh308

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4,398 posts

269 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Well, lets give the place that built it a chance to put the mistake (whatever it is) right first, eh ? They were very good apart from this problem, even picking up and dropping off the engine free of charge

The car's still at the rolling road place .... off to pick it up shortly. Dont want to start taking it apart until I've spoken to the place that built the engine, as that might invalidate the warranty.

My main beef is with the car itself .... I'm sure the f***ers jinxed !!

Can cars be cursed ?

deltaf

6,806 posts

253 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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No mate...only the owner

nevpugh308

Original Poster:

4,398 posts

269 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Buga ...

zefarelly

229 posts

257 months

Thursday 5th June 2003
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hmm Ive wondered the same myself . . . .6 months of last year getting my MK1 Cortina right from the rad back to the axle . . . .I got there in the end . . . .2 weeks after LeMans . . . .this year Ive been mostly re sorting an apparently sorted TVR Vixen . . . .I finished last night (phew)

I dont think they are, but its impossible to tell how much bodging has been done in the past when you look at and buy a 2nd hand car