Dumbass Rover V8 ignition question.

Dumbass Rover V8 ignition question.

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bluespanner

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223 months

Saturday 17th November 2007
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I know aq normal coil has a wire from the Dissy, a wire to a switched live, and obviously the HT lead. Simple.

On my rover v8, there is a weird looking 6 terminal thing, and there is also 2 wires coming from the distributor, both of which attach to the odd 6 terminal thing.

Can anyone explain this system please?

Cheers.


GreenV8S

30,186 posts

284 months

Saturday 17th November 2007
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You will have an ignition amplifier too. Depending on the distributor type, this could be mounted on the side of the distributor, or on the side of the coil, or elsewhere. From your description I would guess that the thing you're looking at is the ignition amplifier. This takes the place of the old fashioned mechanical points, and converts a very small signal from the pickup inside the distributor, to a high current through the coil.

Steve_D

13,737 posts

258 months

Sunday 18th November 2007
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There may also be other wires going to an ignition cut off relay the cuts the ignition on overrun.

Steve

GreenV8S

30,186 posts

284 months

Monday 19th November 2007
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Steve_D said:
cuts the ignition on overrun.
What's that for?

Steve_D

13,737 posts

258 months

Monday 19th November 2007
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Better engine braking I believe.

Steve

Steve_D

13,737 posts

258 months

Monday 19th November 2007
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Sorry correction.
It shuts off the fuel on overrun but again I believe this is to improve engine braking.

Steve

eliot

11,418 posts

254 months

Monday 19th November 2007
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wasn't it to stop "run-on" i.e. engine continuing to run when you turned the switch off?

IRG

4 posts

202 months

Monday 19th November 2007
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Engine over-run cutoff was used on the RR 3.5 flapper EFI systems ……………

It was to improve engine braking and also the fuel consumption.

It is controlled by a vacuum switch mounted on the inlet manifold beside the fuel regulator. The vacuum is tee’d into the fuel regulator from the rear of the plenum.

The switch is normally made, and under large vacuum conditions (i.e. overrun with the throttle closed) operates and breaks the circuit to the over run cutoff relay that is usually mounted close to the air flow meter. The relay connects the LT side of the coil (-) to the ECU pin1 via a resistor. This tells the ecu that the engine is running (and also the engine speed) ………….. if the ecu detects no pulses then it shuts down the fuel pump.

These switches used to fail with monotonous regularity and a common fix was to bypass the switch by connecting the switch wires together………….


Back to the question ………. It sounds like you have the ign amp that is mounted under the coil…………… these are generally quite reliable but you can replace this with a Vauxhall amp …….. £20 Vs £150…..

The unreliable amp was the early 2 pin device mounted on the side of the 35DLM8 dizzy…..


Alternatively spend some time and money ………… Ford EDIS 8 and control it with MS





Ian

robinj66

20 posts

225 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Sorry to jump in very late - seems to me OP is talking about the ballast resistor fitted with the 35DE8 (opus) distributor. I can't post a pic for the present but the silver box has LUCAS 9BR stamped onto it. If you cantact me I'll Email the wiring diagram .

robinj66

20 posts

225 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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Here is the box in question


robinj66

20 posts

225 months

Wednesday 28th November 2007
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And here's the wiring diagram


bluespanner

Original Poster:

3,383 posts

223 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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Thats awesome, thankyou very much!

bluespanner

Original Poster:

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223 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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One final question... where on the starter does the black/blue wire go to?

Edited by bluespanner on Thursday 29th November 12:45

robinj66

20 posts

225 months

Sunday 2nd December 2007
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Hope this helps - on my setup it's the black/yellow wire

eliot

11,418 posts

254 months

Monday 3rd December 2007
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On the starter there is a smaller (than the others) spade terminal, that only becomes live during crank, this feeds 12v direct to the coil for a better spark during crank.

bluespanner

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223 months

Monday 3rd December 2007
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gotcha - cheers smile