Titanium Engines

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Julian64

14,317 posts

254 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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I thought the jabs were close to a plastic engine with ceramic hot bits.

Would blow all the titanium talk into a cocked hat for weightsaving if they ever pulled it off.

B19 CER

86 posts

262 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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Didn't TVR already try plastic valves in the Speed 6?

Jon Gwynne

96 posts

250 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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Julian64 said:
I thought the jabs were close to a plastic engine with ceramic hot bits.

Would blow all the titanium talk into a cocked hat for weightsaving if they ever pulled it off.


I heard rumors of prototype all-ceramic rotary engines when I used to work down the road from Mazda'a US coporate HQ and knew a few guys who worked there.

The idea was that not only could it do away with all the water-cooling gubbins and not only was it lighter than its metal counterparts, it was also able to burn a variety of fuel (like alcohol) without modification due to its better heat-dispersion.

I never actually saw one but it sounded cool...

Fatboy

7,979 posts

272 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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Julian64 said:
I thought the jabs were close to a plastic engine with ceramic hot bits.

Would blow all the titanium talk into a cocked hat for weightsaving if they ever pulled it off.

IIRC Ford actually made a running plastic engine, and bunged it in a fiesta back in the early 80s?

pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Tuesday 24th February 2004
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As for the cost of Titanium there was a story on the news a few months ago about how they have developed a new mining tequnique.

Should reduce by a quarter the cost of Titanium expect to see it more often in the future

V6GTO

11,579 posts

242 months

Tuesday 24th February 2004
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Titanium does make nice watches though, my Breitling is the dogs b*ll*cks.

Fatboy

7,979 posts

272 months

Tuesday 24th February 2004
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V6GTO said:
Titanium does make nice watches though, my Breitling is the dogs b*ll*cks.

Echo that, my titanium Tissot is a very nice watch, and more scratch resistant than the old stainless steel version...

psypher

37 posts

255 months

Tuesday 24th February 2004
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If i remember correctly Ferrari incorporated Beryllium into there F1 engine design a few years ago, but has was banned fairly quickly due to its toxic properties after complaints from McClaren over it use.

I also remember seeing adverts for a plastic engine in the back of Autosport magazine about 10 years ago,but i cant recall the manufacturers name.

Dr_Tré

7 posts

243 months

Wednesday 25th February 2004
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In my uni days ('97) we had a talk given to us by Jock Clear who was, at the time, Villeneuves race engineer at Williams then subsequently BAR.
Someone asked the question as to why Williams had had such an "unreliable" season previously (despite winning the title) and had it something to do with running hotter than usual engine temps with regard to a move to ceramic engines/components. Without being able to say anything officially, lets say a nod and a wink were the response to the question. Sadly, little appears to have reliably transpired from it.

kneegrow

220 posts

256 months

Friday 27th February 2004
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Talking of stupid things. I am toying with casting my own 8 port head for my mini!

It can't be that tricky. All I have to do is very accurately make a rough cast and then machine it.

Anyone know the "Safe" thickness of aluminium for waterways and combustion chambers.

stu

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

265 months

Sunday 7th March 2004
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kneegrow said:
Talking of stupid things. I am toying with casting my own 8 port head for my mini!

It can't be that tricky. All I have to do is very accurately make a rough cast and then machine it.

Anyone know the "Safe" thickness of aluminium for waterways and combustion chambers.

stu


3mm for waterways/lubrication and 6mm for combustion chambers (more if you want to slap a turbo/supercharger on it later )

Good luck.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

244 months

Tuesday 9th March 2004
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kneegrow said:
Talking of stupid things. I am toying with casting my own 8 port head for my mini!

It can't be that tricky. All I have to do is very accurately make a rough cast and then machine it.

Anyone know the "Safe" thickness of aluminium for waterways and combustion chambers.

stu

I remember discussing in detail with a friend why he hadn't a hope of casting his own 16v head for his triumph spitfire. He was a nutter, and always had absurdly big ideas.

Only the daft sod went and did it, and made it run too. Sounded as odd as they come, looked odder still but went substantially better than the stock item. Made me look a right fool, too - kind of proved me wrong in a big way.

I was impressed. Shame I'm not still in touch with him.


Oli

kneegrow

220 posts

256 months

Tuesday 16th March 2004
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Sounds like a great bloke, dig him up!
stu

hiens1

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191 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th March 2004
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lol
I can't belive this is still being posted in!

hiens1

Original Poster:

191 posts

242 months

Friday 19th March 2004
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Hey i found an engin wit titaniums parts. The Koenigsegg CC8 and CCR

warmfuzzies

3,984 posts

253 months

Saturday 20th March 2004
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Berylium is now banned in F1, they used to use it in brake calipers as well, but due to its toxic nature the overlords in F1 had all materials like this banned about 1-2 years ago.

kevin

zcacogp

11,239 posts

244 months

Monday 22nd March 2004
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kneegrow said:
Sounds like a great bloke, dig him up!
stu

I really ought to. He was a good lad.

And sensationally capable too.


Oli.

Fatboy

7,979 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th March 2004
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warmfuzzies said:
Berylium is now banned in F1, they used to use it in brake calipers as well, but due to its toxic nature the overlords in F1 had all materials like this banned about 1-2 years ago.

kevin

I never knew beryllium was toxic! What sort of toxin is it? I always thought of it as a relatively harmless metal...

Jon Gwynne

96 posts

250 months

Thursday 25th March 2004
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Fatboy said:

warmfuzzies said:
Berylium is now banned in F1, they used to use it in brake calipers as well, but due to its toxic nature the overlords in F1 had all materials like this banned about 1-2 years ago.

kevin


I never knew beryllium was toxic! What sort of toxin is it? I always thought of it as a relatively harmless metal...


IIRC, its dangers are similar to those posed by asbestos. Inhalation of small particles of the material can cause serious and even permanent damage to the lungs. The condition is known as berylliosis or Chronic Beryllium Disease (CBD).

chrisx666

808 posts

261 months

Friday 26th March 2004
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Corvette Z06 has a titanium exhaust system. Class.