McLaren MP412C Engine
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Sounds like a replacement engine is being quoted for. If this is something you are having to pay for it is worth getting it in to check if it can be rebuilt. Most main dealers just want to replace major components. As with the leaking gearbox seals where they want to change a complete gearbox...
£50k is shocking. I would contact McLaren Customer Service and ask for a contribution. They are trying to build a reputation and good residuals for the cars. I know someone who needed a new BMW M6 Engine and BMW paid 80% of cost.
If you need to pay for it yourself I would try and source someone who is familiar with racing engines and ideally Nissan racing engines. The Engine is a Nissan VRH unit.
All the Best
If you need to pay for it yourself I would try and source someone who is familiar with racing engines and ideally Nissan racing engines. The Engine is a Nissan VRH unit.
All the Best
I'm not sure if there are any specialists for Macca or if it is too small / new / niche for a 2nd tier service sector to exist, but the poster above who mentioned that it is a Nissan engine & to find a specialist (pending a goodwill offer from Macca) was bang on the money. I was in SMDG the other day & they had just rebuilt a California engine for £13k. Ferarri wanted £50k to fix as they only wanted to swap the unit out.
No, it is a Engine from Ricardo Plc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_M838T_engine
And trying to swap it by 3.rd party will result that ML will discontinue to upgrade your ECU. Controlled by ML and not by any reseller.
That´s why I am hesitant to buy a second hand ML since only ML can perform service. Gearbox, 28k €, Engine 50k €.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_M838T_engine
And trying to swap it by 3.rd party will result that ML will discontinue to upgrade your ECU. Controlled by ML and not by any reseller.
That´s why I am hesitant to buy a second hand ML since only ML can perform service. Gearbox, 28k €, Engine 50k €.
£50k sounds very expensive if it's not with a gearbox included. I have the numbers somewhere for both gearbox and engine that I can't find but I'm very sure it isn't 50k (2014 numbers but inflation hasn't been that high!). A few engines have been replaced afaik but haven't heard of a chain breaking I have to say.
MclaesLaren said:
As the article says, the Ricardo engine is based on the architecture of a Nissan race engine. If McLaren and Ricardo aren't prepared to consider repairing the engine (rather than replacing it) the OP's friend will need to consider a specialist. These guys do a lot of hill-climb race engines (http://nicholsonmclaren.com/) but there will be others.Also as above, another reason to buy and maintain the McLaren warranty on older 12c's.
As another thought, if the original engine has failed is there an opportunity for an upgrade? The car's value is going to be impacted if the engine is replaced, so why not look at an upgrade to 650s spec?
The Surveyor said:
As another thought, if the original engine has failed is there an opportunity for an upgrade? The car's value is going to be impacted if the engine is replaced, so why not look at an upgrade to 650s spec?
Lack of cooling. when the 650 was released there was definite reference to increased cooling capacity and the 12c can and will overheat on track in very warm weather as it is.The engine replacement though is pretty much like gearbox replacement, it's a plug and play unit sent from Woking and the powertrain is designed to come out without a lot of fuss. The cars are mass produced and not collector cars either so the whole matching engine number thing like Porsche GT cars shouldn't apply in the same way I'd have thought. If gearbox replacements aren't considered to impact the car's value, the engine should be much the same?
Replacing the engine is a big issue whereas there is no support from ML regarding ECU and other car electronics. Woking has the ECU Control software and it´s not handed out to others than ML resellers.
So, when you swapped or repaired the engine you might face that the car will not perform to 100% since ECU need upgraded software.
Your engine's computer will definitely have a code/s stored in the engine's computer memory bank. Entering new flash is not done that easy since most ECU has encrypted Flash-memory. And, yes, ML has that too.
So, when you swapped or repaired the engine you might face that the car will not perform to 100% since ECU need upgraded software.
Your engine's computer will definitely have a code/s stored in the engine's computer memory bank. Entering new flash is not done that easy since most ECU has encrypted Flash-memory. And, yes, ML has that too.
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