Car won't start

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EmmaJ

4,525 posts

146 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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SturdyHSV said:
I had my front bumper re-sprayed to sort this out too, within 6 months it was worse than before I had it done, and is now an absolute state. I can only assume either it was painted with crayons, or modern paint is atrocious?

I seem to have the most stone chipped front end on any car I've ever seen, so I can only assume the job that was done was somewhat poor...
Ditto, but then I did do a lot of 160+++ driving (on the Autobahn, officer cop) after having it done and it now looks a complete dogs breakfast. I was told it can take 6-12 weeks for today's water based paint to fully cure so I can't blame the chap that sprayed my bumper had I know I wouldn't had bothered and waited to the winter to get it done frown

bobfredstinker

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783 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Of course the other option I've seen done is a partial vinyl wrap of the very front of the car. Anyone have any experience of that?

preciousmetal

3,372 posts

176 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Noooooooooooo don't do that !!!

EmmaJ

4,525 posts

146 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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You'll need to sort the stone chips first otherwise they might show through the wrap. Gotta agree a partial wrap doesn't sound the best... yuck

desert fox

287 posts

162 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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EmmaJ said:
SturdyHSV said:


I had my front bumper re-sprayed to sort this out too, within 6 months it was worse than before I had it done, and is now an absolute state. I can only assume either it was painted with crayons, or modern paint is atrocious?

I seem to have the most stone chipped front end on any car I've ever seen, so I can only assume the job that was done was somewhat poor...


Ditto, but then I did do a lot of 160+++ driving (on the Autobahn, officer cop) after having it done and it now looks a complete dogs breakfast. I was told it can take 6-12 weeks for today's water based paint to fully cure so I can't blame the chap that sprayed my bumper had I know I wouldn't had bothered and waited to the winter to get it done


Somebody has not been straight with you or are talking cobblers. Water based paint does not take 6 to 12 weeks to fully cure. The water based paint is the basecoat only, and then over coated with a solventborne clearcoat. the basecoat can be clearcoated as soon as it is dry, either by air drying (20 to 30 mins max) or by force drying in an oven approximately 10 minutes. The clear is then applied and air or force cured. If the bumper has not been prepared correctly prior to painting then the adhesion will be significantly reduced, or for simplicity botched.

The bumper should be correctly sanded / flatted, primed with a suitable plastic 2k primer, basecoated and then clear coated. When I have done mine, I add a plasticiser to aid flexibility as a brittle coating will increase the possibility of chipping as it cannot absorb impacts from small stones etc.

desert fox

287 posts

162 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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EmmaJ said:
SturdyHSV said:


I had my front bumper re-sprayed to sort this out too, within 6 months it was worse than before I had it done, and is now an absolute state. I can only assume either it was painted with crayons, or modern paint is atrocious?

I seem to have the most stone chipped front end on any car I've ever seen, so I can only assume the job that was done was somewhat poor...


Ditto, but then I did do a lot of 160+++ driving (on the Autobahn, officer cop) after having it done and it now looks a complete dogs breakfast. I was told it can take 6-12 weeks for today's water based paint to fully cure so I can't blame the chap that sprayed my bumper had I know I wouldn't had bothered and waited to the winter to get it done


Somebody has not been straight with you or are talking cobblers. Water based paint does not take 6 to 12 weeks to fully cure. The water based paint is the basecoat only, and then over coated with a solventborne clearcoat. the basecoat can be clearcoated as soon as it is dry, either by air drying (20 to 30 mins max) or by force drying in an oven approximately 10 minutes. The clear is then applied and air or force cured. If the bumper has not been prepared correctly prior to painting then the adhesion will be significantly reduced, or for simplicity botched.

The bumper should be correctly sanded / flatted, primed with a suitable plastic 2k primer, basecoated and then clear coated. When I have done mine, I add a plasticiser to aid flexibility as a brittle coating will increase the possibility of chipping as it cannot absorb impacts from small stones etc.

EmmaJ

4,525 posts

146 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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desert fox said:
Somebody has not been straight with you or are talking cobblers. Water based paint does not take 6 to 12 weeks to fully cure. The water based paint is the basecoat only, and then over coated with a solventborne clearcoat. the basecoat can be clearcoated as soon as it is dry, either by air drying (20 to 30 mins max) or by force drying in an oven approximately 10 minutes. The clear is then applied and air or force cured. If the bumper has not been prepared correctly prior to painting then the adhesion will be significantly reduced, or for simplicity botched.

The bumper should be correctly sanded / flatted, primed with a suitable plastic 2k primer, basecoated and then clear coated. When I have done mine, I add a plasticiser to aid flexibility as a brittle coating will increase the possibility of chipping as it cannot absorb impacts from small stones etc.
Very interesting...

Based on how it looks it seems like all they have done is spray over the orginal paint as you can see it beneath the new paint where there is stone chip damage. Currently the car is with the Fish but I'll give the company a call and ask if the bumper was clear coated. The history behind the repair was there was parking damage caused by my flatmate to the wing and trailing edge of the bumper which was properly repaired and I asked if they could sort of the stone chips on the bumper whilst it was being repaired. I guess I should have been more specific.... confused

Vulgar LS2

1,785 posts

183 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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EmmaJ said:
Very interesting...

Based on how it looks it seems like all they have done is spray over the orginal paint as you can see it beneath the new paint where there is stone chip damage. Currently the car is with the Fish but I'll give the company a call and ask if the bumper was clear coated. The history behind the repair was there was parking damage caused by my flatmate to the wing and trailing edge of the bumper which was properly repaired and I asked if they could sort of the stone chips on the bumper whilst it was being repaired. I guess I should have been more specific.... confused
Mine was covered in stone chips that were visible from 30 feet away, I ended up having the whole front of the car stripped back, and replaced with a pink primer (my car is red BTW) then painted the correct colour and then a ceramic lacquer and it still looks good 3 years on.

bobfredstinker

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783 posts

150 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Right, update to the situation.

Since my car now has a completely flat battery, I went out and bought one to replace it. Great stuff. However, because the battery has no power I can't unlock it with the remote, and the key won't unlock it either for some reason. Can anyone help? I now have a car I physically can't get into. How can I unlock it?

L2VXR

975 posts

213 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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this has been discussed before, the door will unlock with the key but you have to turn it to the point you think its going to snap the key

john93t

223 posts

152 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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it might be dead locked. usually one of the doors should open with the key or the boot. just a guess as i had this problem with a previous car and had to get in through the boot.

fildigger

1,095 posts

205 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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Jeez Bob...this has been ongoing since August 19th !! (on here anyway) and your still locked out of the beast !!

bigwheel

1,618 posts

214 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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L2VXR said:
this has been discussed before, the door will unlock with the key but you have to turn it to the point you think its going to snap the key
Also, when you turn the key, the lock button visible through the door glass will not rise. This might make you think the door is still locked.
Turn the key one way, let go and try the door handle. If still locked, turn the key the other way, etc.
It works.

bobfredstinker

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783 posts

150 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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fildigger said:
Jeez Bob...this has been ongoing since August 19th !! (on here anyway) and your still locked out of the beast !!
That's because shortly after discovering that the battery was dead I had to go away for a month, which I've just got back from!

fildigger

1,095 posts

205 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Ahh! Ok bud...hope all has gone well with the key and you have managed to get in the car to open the hood!...keep us all up to date.

preciousmetal

3,372 posts

176 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Bob sent me a text, as i was trying to help him last night with problem, it must have worked as he has got into the beast now

JB @ Elite

ARAF

20,759 posts

223 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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preciousmetal said:
Bob sent me a text, as i was trying to help him last night with problem, it must have worked as he has got into the beast now

JB @ Elite
thumbup Hopefully this will be an end to his troubles smile though if he goes away for a month at a time, maybe a battery conditioner would be a good idea. scratchchin

hsv_sc

174 posts

189 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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I had the same problem, only way in was through the boot..

bobfredstinker

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783 posts

150 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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The beast lives!!!