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stevieturbo said:
Let's face it, you are coming across as a prick and one who knows nothing about an LS.
I know nothing about LS? Really?If he had a Granada to drop any old engine into I guess the choice of block is not important. If the chap has the money then sure drop in an ls3 but theres lots more to it. Alternatively source a good ls2, doesnt matter if used as you sort it before you fit it.
Theres 2 folk redorting to direct insults here and one giving alternate sound advice.
As posted you can get turnkey ls2 engines still, you can buy used, but if hes going to the hassle of an ls3 why not go ls7 or LSA?
Or he could go full on fred flintstones whilst he listens to idiots argue on the internet.
If he changes the block just how much hassle is the ecu, loom and other ancileries?
Drihump Trolomite said:
I know nothing about LS? Really?
If he had a Granada to drop any old engine into I guess the choice of block is not important. If the chap has the money then sure drop in an ls3 but theres lots more to it. Alternatively source a good ls2, doesnt matter if used as you sort it before you fit it.
Theres 2 folk redorting to direct insults here and one giving alternate sound advice.
As posted you can get turnkey ls2 engines still, you can buy used, but if hes going to the hassle of an ls3 why not go ls7 or LSA?
Or he could go full on fred flintstones whilst he listens to idiots argue on the internet.
If he changes the block just how much hassle is the ecu, loom and other ancileries?
I’m with Stevie - you don’t know what you are talking about. Also, his old Granada is one of the fastest, most interesting cars on PH. He’s royalty around here so leave him alone! If he had a Granada to drop any old engine into I guess the choice of block is not important. If the chap has the money then sure drop in an ls3 but theres lots more to it. Alternatively source a good ls2, doesnt matter if used as you sort it before you fit it.
Theres 2 folk redorting to direct insults here and one giving alternate sound advice.
As posted you can get turnkey ls2 engines still, you can buy used, but if hes going to the hassle of an ls3 why not go ls7 or LSA?
Or he could go full on fred flintstones whilst he listens to idiots argue on the internet.
If he changes the block just how much hassle is the ecu, loom and other ancileries?
Drihump Trolomite said:
I know nothing about LS? Really?
If he had a Granada to drop any old engine into I guess the choice of block is not important. If the chap has the money then sure drop in an ls3 but theres lots more to it. Alternatively source a good ls2, doesnt matter if used as you sort it before you fit it.
Theres 2 folk redorting to direct insults here and one giving alternate sound advice.
As posted you can get turnkey ls2 engines still, you can buy used, but if hes going to the hassle of an ls3 why not go ls7 or LSA?
Or he could go full on fred flintstones whilst he listens to idiots argue on the internet.
If he changes the block just how much hassle is the ecu, loom and other ancileries?
And once again you highlight the fact you know little of these engines. And even you with your terrible googling skills couldnt come up with a good used LS2 engine in the world, let alone the UK.If he had a Granada to drop any old engine into I guess the choice of block is not important. If the chap has the money then sure drop in an ls3 but theres lots more to it. Alternatively source a good ls2, doesnt matter if used as you sort it before you fit it.
Theres 2 folk redorting to direct insults here and one giving alternate sound advice.
As posted you can get turnkey ls2 engines still, you can buy used, but if hes going to the hassle of an ls3 why not go ls7 or LSA?
Or he could go full on fred flintstones whilst he listens to idiots argue on the internet.
If he changes the block just how much hassle is the ecu, loom and other ancileries?
And why are you still rabbiting on bulls
t about ecu, wiring loom and other ancillaries ? When none of them need changed ?wormus said:
I’m with Stevie - you don’t know what you are talking about. Also, his old Granada is one of the fastest, most interesting cars on PH. He’s royalty around here so leave him alone!
Your entire knowledge, you actual knowledge of the engines has come from:- building something
- tuning something
- looking at the engine cover under the bonnet
- chucking money at it and pay someone to build something
I am not a mechanic! although my nickname may imply I am.
https://vcmstore.com.au/blogs/news/tech-tuesday-00...
Guessing that this is a 2007/2008 VXR8 with an LS2 in it. So the Sedan not a Monaro.
From what I have read the LS2 VXR8 (HSV VE Clubsport R8) had the E38 computer in it, only the Monaro VXR (HSV VZ GTO) with the LS2 had the E40 computer in it.
So the computer was car specific, not engine specific. The 5.7 Monaro had a different computer again.
The E38 needs the 58x reluctor wheel and the E40 needs the 24x.
Using that logic, you would need to get the correct LS2 engine with the correct reluctor wheel, ie a VXR8 version.
If you can find one of those, then that would be ideal, but I reckon they are probably rare and finding an ok one??? I can find them on the internet in the US and Oz with cast iron heads? The warranty on a US/Oz sourced engine would concern me.
I tend to agree with everyone on here with the LS3 option as they have the correct reluctor wheel on them already.
You would need tuning obviously and to cannibalise parts from your current car.
I also reckon on the less powerful version, even the 430hp version, which is what the later VXR8 MY09 cars came with anyway. You can tweak it later!
I have a couple of LS3 powered vehicles and they are quick enough!
Let us know how you go,
https://vcmstore.com.au/blogs/news/tech-tuesday-00...
Guessing that this is a 2007/2008 VXR8 with an LS2 in it. So the Sedan not a Monaro.
From what I have read the LS2 VXR8 (HSV VE Clubsport R8) had the E38 computer in it, only the Monaro VXR (HSV VZ GTO) with the LS2 had the E40 computer in it.
So the computer was car specific, not engine specific. The 5.7 Monaro had a different computer again.
The E38 needs the 58x reluctor wheel and the E40 needs the 24x.
Using that logic, you would need to get the correct LS2 engine with the correct reluctor wheel, ie a VXR8 version.
If you can find one of those, then that would be ideal, but I reckon they are probably rare and finding an ok one??? I can find them on the internet in the US and Oz with cast iron heads? The warranty on a US/Oz sourced engine would concern me.
I tend to agree with everyone on here with the LS3 option as they have the correct reluctor wheel on them already.
You would need tuning obviously and to cannibalise parts from your current car.
I also reckon on the less powerful version, even the 430hp version, which is what the later VXR8 MY09 cars came with anyway. You can tweak it later!
I have a couple of LS3 powered vehicles and they are quick enough!
Let us know how you go,
speed4u said:
If you want an ls3 just get the basic version without any GM hot cam as they are now very old designs and rubbish.
Use the money you save to get a modern design cam from the states.
Ls2 still available if you speak to the right person i'm sure.
This ^^^^. good advice.Use the money you save to get a modern design cam from the states.
Ls2 still available if you speak to the right person i'm sure.
Cheapest solution, buy this: http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
Swap sump, oil pick up, manifolds and poss watrer pump depending which variant PWP actually supply. Fit to car.
Re-install stock map, start car. To be perfect it will need tweaking to suit the LS3 but it will run and work.
monkfish1 said:
This ^^^^. good advice.
Cheapest solution, buy this: http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
Swap sump, oil pick up, manifolds and poss watrer pump depending which variant PWP actually supply. Fit to car.
Re-install stock map, start car. To be perfect it will need tweaking to suit the LS3 but it will run and work.
Monkfish1 has spoken, the debate has been settled.....thank goodness.Cheapest solution, buy this: http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
Swap sump, oil pick up, manifolds and poss watrer pump depending which variant PWP actually supply. Fit to car.
Re-install stock map, start car. To be perfect it will need tweaking to suit the LS3 but it will run and work.
Would any sane person argue with Roger or Andy
Merry Christmas monkfish1 and monkfish 2, have a good one guys.
John
Your write John Monkfish have spoken.
I will get the LS3 and get Walkinshaw to fit bigger cams before the engine go's in.
I didn't think I would get 5 pages of comments, a lot of it way over my head.
I would like to thank every body for their thoughts on the matter, and I have come to terms
with the fact my wallet is going to take a hammering.
At least I will have her back on the road.
I will get the LS3 and get Walkinshaw to fit bigger cams before the engine go's in.
I didn't think I would get 5 pages of comments, a lot of it way over my head.
I would like to thank every body for their thoughts on the matter, and I have come to terms
with the fact my wallet is going to take a hammering.
At least I will have her back on the road.
Holden08rcy said:
Your write John Monkfish have spoken.
I will get the LS3 and get Walkinshaw to fit bigger cams before the engine go's in.
I didn't think I would get 5 pages of comments, a lot of it way over my head.
I would like to thank every body for their thoughts on the matter, and I have come to terms
with the fact my wallet is going to take a hammering.
At least I will have her back on the road.
Great stuff, we got there in the end..I will get the LS3 and get Walkinshaw to fit bigger cams before the engine go's in.
I didn't think I would get 5 pages of comments, a lot of it way over my head.
I would like to thank every body for their thoughts on the matter, and I have come to terms
with the fact my wallet is going to take a hammering.
At least I will have her back on the road.
Yes, 5 pages of advice that's not bad going.......you are now officially famous!!!!
When you're back on the road with a new V8 it will be worth it.
John
Holden08rcy said:
Your write John Monkfish have spoken.
I will get the LS3 and get Walkinshaw to fit bigger cams before the engine go's in.
I didn't think I would get 5 pages of comments, a lot of it way over my head.
I would like to thank every body for their thoughts on the matter, and I have come to terms
with the fact my wallet is going to take a hammering.
At least I will have her back on the road.
Only one cam needed lolI will get the LS3 and get Walkinshaw to fit bigger cams before the engine go's in.
I didn't think I would get 5 pages of comments, a lot of it way over my head.
I would like to thank every body for their thoughts on the matter, and I have come to terms
with the fact my wallet is going to take a hammering.
At least I will have her back on the road.
Drihump Trolomite said:
What was GM thinking when they did that?
It's as if they wanted the ls2 with the e40 to be considered the ginger stepchild
It offers is more precise timing of injector / spark events, so presumably during testing or development or just future roadmap of boosted applications etc it was deemed necessary to meet the various performance / emissions requirements I guess. It's as if they wanted the ls2 with the e40 to be considered the ginger stepchild
It was unfortunate that the change was implemented during the LS2's life cycle, being a gen IV motor unlike the gen III LS1/6 it would have made things much neater if it also had the 58x reluctor like all of the other gen IV stuff
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