Sagaris asking prices

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PGNSagaris

1,984 posts

104 months

Thursday 31st January
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Rocco1 said:
When I was researching and looking to buy a Sagaris I was told the purists and collectors will opt for the 4.0 whereas those who intend to drive the car would opt for the 4.3. Never driven a 4.0 but my 4.3 is bonkers rather like a go kart yet on steroids

Edited by Rocco1 on Wednesday 30th January 19:57
and yet I spanked my car 4.0 remorselessly through Europe, on track etc.

Rocco1

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Thursday 31st January
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PGNSagaris said:
and yet I spanked my car 4.0 remorselessly through Europe, on track etc.
I’m sure there are many on here that are familiar with catastrophic engine failures.

Sagbrit

110 posts

57 months

Thursday 31st January
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The Speed 6 was pretty well sorted by the time the Sag was launched. No doubt a few have let go but I bet the numbers are low

Rocco1

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121 months

Thursday 31st January
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And when they do go bang this is what the invoice looks like



glow worm

4,232 posts

165 months

Thursday 31st January
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A lot of that bill is nothing to do with a 4.3 upgrade … well some of it … If you had a 4.5, cranksensors and a new MBE ECU you'd know what a real upgrade costs smile and you didn't pay it … Hollowpockets did smile
If you drive an engine hard and track it , I think you can't be surprised if something breaks.

Edited by glow worm on Thursday 31st January 18:54

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Rocco1

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Thursday 31st January
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glow worm said:
A lot of that bill is nothing to do with a 4.3 upgrade … well some of it … If you had a 4.5, cranksensors and a new MBE ECU you'd know what a real upgrade costs smile and you didn't pay it … Hollowpockets did smile
If you drive an engine hard and track it , I think you can't be surprised if something breaks.

Edited by glow worm on Thursday 31st January 18:54
The billing had everything to do with me the price I paid was a contributing factor. What would you know about driving an engine hard all you ever did was polish more polish and polish and eventually cashing in. Let’s be honest here all you did was turn it into a garage queen for the next person!!


Edited by Rocco1 on Thursday 31st January 22:13

glow worm

4,232 posts

165 months

Thursday 31st January
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Rocco1 said:
The billing had everything to do with me as the price I paid was a contributing factor. What would you know about driving an engine hard all you ever did was polish more polish and polish and eventually cashing in. Let’s be honest here all you did was turn it into a garage queen for the next person!!
All my cars are Garage Queens … but the Tuscan has the 4.5 … Oh and so does the Chim but that's a V8 smile … Good Luck

Including my 1 owner BMW E36 328 152k miles 21 years old this year and it doesn't use a single drop of oil and original clutch smile



Edited by glow worm on Thursday 31st January 20:02

crimbo

1,210 posts

166 months

Thursday 31st January
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Would cost half that to build it back to what it was, thats upgraded. You were once able to get a 4.3 rebuild for sub 8 with warranty

PGNSagaris

1,984 posts

104 months

Thursday 31st January
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Rocco1 said:
PGNSagaris said:
and yet I spanked my car 4.0 remorselessly through Europe, on track etc.
I’m sure there are many on here that are familiar with catastrophic engine failures.
As was I with my Tuscan but not an issue with most Sags. That 4.3 might well be a nice engine, especially front Str8six but being a modification may actually detract from the value long term



Edited by PGNSagaris on Thursday 31st January 22:25

Rocco1

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Thursday 31st January
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PGNSagaris said:
As was I with my Tuscan but not an issue with most Sags. That 4.3 might well be a nice engine, especially front Str8six but being a modification may actually detract from the value long term



Edited by PGNSagaris on Thursday 31st January 22:25
After speaking to a number of tvr specialists the 4.3 engine is well received by those seeking to buy a Sag

tvrtuscans

992 posts

149 months

Friday 1st February
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Very interesting thread. Steve, so have you still got your T350?

phoenixz

404 posts

104 months

Friday 1st February
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Rocco1 said:
After speaking to a number of tvr specialists the 4.3 engine is well received by those seeking to buy a Sag
I agree with this entirely. I am not aware of anyone that was hell bent on a pureist 4.0 or turned down a car purely because it had the 4.3

Although it is undeniable that the Sag had many improvements geared towards reliability, the factory engines were still not problem free. The 4.3 conversion is a rebuild with extra steps, but it is still a rebuild. The clever money for me would be on an example that has had the engine rebuilt recently, rather than a low mileage untouched since factory version.

That being said, i think the 4.5 is pushing the boat out a little and i would not pay a premium for a 4.3 version. I intend no offence at all Rocco, when i say that your car was driven back to back with mine and the difference was negligible. So when it came to rebuilding mine, and after much research and discussions, the decision was made to spend the money on upgrades elsewhere.
Again, nothing against your car at all, but the 4.3 did not justify the additional cost for me. It does look good on paper though and definitely not something that would devalue.

Were i you, i would be making a much bigger deal of the colour. The Reflex Burnt Orange (i have forgotten the actual name for the colour of your Sag) is much more sought after and prized amongst buyers.
Again, there is a reason that 5 of the 7 Sagari (Sagarises, Sagaris's...) for sale just now are Silver/Grey.

PuffsBack

2,129 posts

163 months

Friday 1st February
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[quote=phoenixz]


Were i you, i would be making a much bigger deal of the colour. The Reflex Burnt Orange (i have forgotten the actual name for the colour of your Sag) is much more sought after and prized amongst buyers.
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Its Chameleon Orange - and if true that's just cheered my evening up smile

I know it was the press car colour and is pretty loud but it does really need sunlight on it to bring out the gold. I have to admit when I bought mine I held off looking at it for a while as orange wasn't to my taste and the car was for sale 300 miles away. However when Heath at X Works rolled it out the garage it was been stored in however I was sold!

But god does it attract attention!



Edited by PuffsBack on Friday 1st February 19:13

PuffsBack

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163 months

Friday 1st February
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Time for a pic!


Rocco1

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Friday 1st February
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PuffsBack said:
Time for a pic!

I saw your car at Heaths looked very nice

TVRMs

1,559 posts

62 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Its winter and there is an uncertain feel about the economy. It's not only rare desirable sports cars/toys that aren't selling.


They'll be back at silly money in 18 months.

Rocco1

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Saturday 2nd February
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TVRMs said:
Its winter and there is an uncertain feel about the economy. It's not only rare desirable sports cars/toys that aren't selling.



They'll be back at silly money in 18 months.
Just the words owners like to hear

Edited by Rocco1 on Saturday 2nd February 15:59

7 TVR

2,584 posts

106 months

Friday 8th February
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Love reading these threads, just for the record i was happy to pay a premium for every upgrade on every TVR I've ever owned smile
Especially the str8six 4.3 which is just epic when on song!

tvrtuscans

992 posts

149 months

Tuesday 12th February
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So....Amore Auto’s has a Sagaris advertised for £105k. First time over £100k? Photo’s aren’t exactly of ‘David Bailey’ quality but thoughts anyone?

ianwayne

2,058 posts

206 months

Tuesday 12th February
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It's heavily modified with an LS engine and chassis bracing. Far from standard but very low mileage. Not for the 'collector' but wow for the performance. Hard to value?:

https://www.amoreautos.co.uk/car-listings/2009-sag...