Where do dealers get their SAG numbers from ?

[glow worm]

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11394061

98 Sags in the UK registered and SORN'ed

So why does "How Many Left " show 169 ????

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/tvr_sagaris

Are they trying to hike the prices ???

Common sense would tell you 100 cars just don't disappear

Edited by glow worm on Friday 21st May 17:45

[gordon1955]

There salesman is very good at twisting the truth, just read the bull s..t on his adverts....

[PuffsBack]

Howmanyleft.com is very inaccurate

https://www.carlogbook.co.uk/tvr/sagaris/ is usually better

And STR8SIX I would suspect know better than anyone - I doubt they are lying

[LucyP]

Salesman school is where they get their "statistics" from.

The Moroccan/Turkish shop - "just come in and look, no obligation to buy".
The estate agent - "the garden is a sun trap"
The car dealer "you won't find another one. We've had 20 offers on this one over the asking price, and it's only been on sale for an hour."

[glow worm]

PuffsBack said:

Howmanyleft.com is very inaccurate

https://www.carlogbook.co.uk/tvr/sagaris/ is usually better

And STR8SIX I would suspect know better than anyone - I doubt they are lying

Have you any evidence that Howmanyleft is VERY inaccurate ... I find it reasonably good
I reckon 211 Sags were built , so 113 are have some crap drivers and have written then off, they fall apart or they've been exported.
carlogbook only appears to state those on the road and doesn't include SORN , and it still says 123.
I'm not saying they are lying , just inaccurate.

Edited by glow worm on Friday 21st May 19:01

[silentbrown]

PuffsBack said:

Howmanyleft.com is very inaccurate
https://www.carlogbook.co.uk/tvr/sagaris/ is usually better

They're measuring different things. CarLogBook is cars with a valid MOT. If it doesn't need an MOT, the car won't show.

HowManyLeft is cars taxed (and sorned), during the previous quarter (and actually, several months after that).

If a car is SORN'd or written off, CarLogBook data won't change until it's MOT expires, and most of the seasonally SORN'd cars will still have a valid MOT.

I suspect STR8IX have accidentally used the non-SORNed figure from Q2 last year, which was actually 98...

Edited by silentbrown on Friday 21st May 19:02

[glow worm]

silentbrown said:

They're measuring different things. CarLogBook is cars with a valid MOT. If it doesn't need an MOT, the car won't show.

HowManyLeft is cars taxed (and sorned), during the previous quarter (and actually, several months after that).

If a car is SORN'd or written off, CarLogBook data won't change until it's MOT expires, and most of the seasonally SORN'd cars will still have a valid MOT.

I suspect STR8IX have accidentally used the non-SORNed figure from Q2 last year, which was actually 98...

Edited by silentbrown on Friday 21st May 19:02

But they've not only used it once but twice in this sale aswell !!! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11437228

[silentbrown]

glow worm said:

But they've not only used it once but twice in this sale aswell !!! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11437228

Hardly surprising. "Oh look - another Sagaris. Now, where's the ad I wrote last week...?"

[glow worm]

silentbrown said:

Hardly surprising. "Oh look - another Sagaris. Now, where's the ad I wrote last week...?"

But would common sense not make you think ??? Where did all those other cars go???? After all he says there were over 200 in 2006 ....
Otherwise it's a bad recommendation for TVR servicing

Edited by glow worm on Friday 21st May 19:22

[silentbrown]

glow worm said:

But would common sense not make you think ??? Where did all those other cars go???? After all he says there were over 200 in 2006 ....

The only bit that's wrong is the inclusion of "or SORNed".

From Howmanyleft, I'd say of the ~200 UK registered...

• ~80 are in taxed/used all year round.
• ~20 are taxed for the summer only, and SORN'd in winter.
• ~30 have been scrapped/exported.
• ~70 are SORN'd all year round. That's a lot laid up in garages!

[glow worm]

silentbrown said:

The only bit that's wrong is the inclusion of "or SORNed".

From Howmanyleft, I'd say of the ~200 UK registered...

• ~80 are in taxed/used all year round.
• ~20 are taxed for the summer only, and SORN'd in winter.
• ~30 have been scrapped/exported.
• ~70 are SORN'd all year round. That's a lot laid up in garages!

Not quite the only thing ... quote
"Those who follow these things will know that the number of TVR Sagaris - Road-registered or SORN’d in the UK - has reduced from 200 plus cars in 2006...........to 98 last year! These stunning TVR Supercars are getting ever rarer – and therefore more collectable!"

and

"TVR built just over 200 TVR Sagaris. The number registered or SORN’d in the UK is now under 100. Special examples of these works of automotive art are potential future heirlooms or very affordable supercars – actually they’re both!"


The figures are being used as selling points not just an off the cuff reference.... Especially for those that follow these things

[glow worm]

Of course more cars were SORN'ed this year with COVID and only essential travel was justified... I SORN'ed one of my TVRs , which normally I wouldn't have.

[PuffsBack]

glow worm said:

Have you any evidence that Howmanyleft is VERY inaccurate

Edited by glow worm on Friday 21st May 19:01

Yeah it states this on their site

"About the data
All the data on this site is derived from vehicle licensing statistics published by the Department for Transport in the UK"

Edited by PuffsBack on Friday 21st May 20:52

Edited by PuffsBack on Friday 21st May 21:03

[non_linear]

They are not alone, Castle have just sold a T350T with the ad stating..."The T350T is an incredibly rare variant with its removal carbon fibre Targa panels and approximately 40 cars ever made!".

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11602477

Carlogbook don't even recognise the T350T as a model!

[RFC1]

Slow news day today guys......

[PuffsBack]

Lol! To put in it perspective Ford sell more F series pickups in 3 hours than there are TVR Sagaris in total whether the true number be 170 to 211 or probably somewhere in between

[frontfloater]

Small point of accuracy - strictly the plural should be Sagares. A Greek plural, like crisis / crises.

[SIXSIXES]

F40: 1,311
F50: 349
Enzo: 399
LaFerrari: 499
XJ220: 275-281
Countach: 1,999-2,049
Miura: 741
Porsche 959: 337 (including 37 prototypes and pre-production examples)
Porsche Carrera GT: 1,270
Sagaris: 212

Can’t help thinking they are still a steal. Nothing like them on the road, likely never will be.

[glow worm]

Tuscan Convertibles 4.5 SS : 1

[silentbrown]

SIXSIXES said:

F40: 1,311
Sagaris: 212

Rarity isn't everything...

Rover 75 V8 Tourer : 12