Sag's appreciating in value?

Sag's appreciating in value?

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keynsham

266 posts

270 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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Interesting to wonder what the market will be like if and when the new TVR is available. An old used TVR or a brand new one for the same price?? I know I would go for the new one and it could have a massive impact on prices.

Granturadriver

574 posts

260 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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keynsham said:
Interesting to wonder what the market will be like if and when the new TVR is available. An old used TVR or a brand new one for the same price?? I know I would go for the new one and it could have a massive impact on prices.
This statement https://www.tvrblog.com/opinions-on-tvrs-new-tvr-g... is quite 5 years old and one could wonder if still valid in our current climate age.

keynsham

266 posts

270 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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The top end cars are all way out of my price range so I am only hypothesising! You could argue that the price of an E-Type is way above an F-type Jaguar and they still both have strong markets. I guess time will tell, and at the speed things are progressing, probably a lot of time!!!

MikeE

1,826 posts

283 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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It's always a wonder to me why a classic like a 1992 pre-cat Griffith (and other TVR's) hasn't appreciated like a 1961 E-type, similar concepts, beauty, purity of purpose, accolades etc yet miles apart in terms of relative values

Value of a restored, top spec, press car and Neill Anderson's development and sprint winning 4.5BV pre-cat £40K+

Value of a basket case 1961 3.8 FHC E-type requiring full restoration £70K+






Edited by MikeE on Monday 15th August 16:59

PuffsBack

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2,428 posts

224 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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MikeE said:
It's always a wonder to me why a classic like a 1992 pre-cat Griffith (and other TVR's) hasn't appreciated like a 1961 E-type, similar concepts, beauty, purity of purpose, accolades etc yet miles apart in terms of relative values

Value of a restored, top spec, press car and Neill Anderson's development and sprint winning 4.5BV pre-cat £40K+

Value of a basket case 1961 3.8 FHC E-type requiring full restoration £70K+

Edited by MikeE on Monday 15th August 16:59
Thought I recognised that Reg as soon as i saw it

glow worm

5,797 posts

226 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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MikeE said:
The wheels are totally wrong on that car , IMHO getmecoat

MikeE

1,826 posts

283 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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glow worm said:
MikeE said:
The wheels are totally wrong on that car , IMHO getmecoat
Neill Andersen used this car to develop Cerbera and Tuscan parts in the late 90’s. So it’s the only Griffith to leave the factory with Spiders (and Cerbera Diff abd rear brakes). So good enough for Neil Anderson it’s good enough for me.


I’ve got the Gottis too so can revert back to 1992 look easily enough.


Anyway the point being, my Griffith is a piece of TVR history, the equivalent early press E-type will be £1M+ so why the huge disparity?

Edited by MikeE on Monday 15th August 20:15

TrotCanterGallopCharge

419 posts

89 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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MikeE said:
glow worm said:
MikeE said:
The wheels are totally wrong on that car , IMHO getmecoat
Neill Andersen used this car to develop Cerbera and Tuscan parts in the late 90’s. So it’s the only Griffith to leave the factory with Spiders (and Cerbera Diff abd rear brakes). So good enough for Neil Anderson it’s good enough for me.



Anyway the point being, my Griffith is a piece of TVR history, the equivalent early press E-type will be £1M+ so why the huge disparity?

The E-Type is a WORLD icon, the Griff sadly is not. Jaguar also has Le Mans winning pedigree, TVR do not. American screen stars of the 60's wanted Jags, but TVR, despite having the Swordfish car, never got as much mainstream attention. E-Types are recognised as one of the most beautiful cars built, the Griff has striking looks, but isn't as good. As much as I like a Griff, it's not in the same league (even though as a more modern car, it might be easier/better to own).


robsco

7,822 posts

175 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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MikeE said:
glow worm said:
MikeE said:
The wheels are totally wrong on that car , IMHO getmecoat
Neill Andersen used this car to develop Cerbera and Tuscan parts in the late 90’s. So it’s the only Griffith to leave the factory with Spiders (and Cerbera Diff abd rear brakes). So good enough for Neil Anderson it’s good enough for me.


I’ve got the Gottis too so can revert back to 1992 look easily enough.


Anyway the point being, my Griffith is a piece of TVR history, the equivalent early press E-type will be £1M+ so why the huge disparity?

Edited by MikeE on Monday 15th August 20:15
Is it just the photo Mike, or is it on 16 inch fronts and 18s at the rear?

MikeE

1,826 posts

283 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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robsco said:
Is it just the photo Mike, or is it on 16 inch fronts and 18s at the rear?
Yes it is, gives it a good stance

swisstoni

16,844 posts

278 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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The value of TVRs won’t have been helped by owners past and present who are happy to regularly put the boot in to the cars, helping to stoke the pub bore chestnut that they are all rubbish.

But the Sagaris seems to have retained its value pretty well. You would hope that with grown up money involved, an educated market might realise that there is very little different under the skin amongst the T Cars.

Alas the time for a proper revision of the marque as a whole has probably gone when the time for the combustion engine itself is running out.

astonman

789 posts

209 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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As usual! There are No 2005/6 T350Ts to compare against Sagaris values.
It's not the Sagaris are so exceptional,it's that they were the last TVR cars made in numbers.
To directly compare Sagaris to other cars,eg T350Ts find a post Smolensky T350t,low mileage to compare( can't find one?) and you will find similar prices,but reflecting the ,difference in new price, but not necessarily that much reduction , because T350Ts of this era are so much rarer.

MikeE

1,826 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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TrotCanterGallopCharge said:
The E-Type is a WORLD icon, the Griff sadly is not. Jaguar also has Le Mans winning pedigree, TVR do not. American screen stars of the 60's wanted Jags, but TVR, despite having the Swordfish car, never got as much mainstream attention. E-Types are recognised as one of the most beautiful cars built, the Griff has striking looks, but isn't as good. As much as I like a Griff, it's not in the same league (even though as a more modern car, it might be easier/better to own).
Yep agreed, but there's a 20 fold (or more) difference in price between my car and the equivalent E-type which is surely too much.

I've loved E-types and TVR's all my life. I've had 6 TVR's including two new Tuscans so finally time to scratch the E-type itch cool

s6boy

1,613 posts

224 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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robsco said:
Is it just the photo Mike, or is it on 16 inch fronts and 18s at the rear?
That's a good spot, I was just going to ask whether they were 16" as per original T car spec or 18" and it turns out they're both!

Ri Orus2

144 posts

161 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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glow worm said:
The wheels are totally wrong on that car , IMHO getmecoat
Cut me in half and im a Wheeler era TVR stick of rock in reflex charcoal. So i declare that Spiders are quintessentially TVR and look great on anything wheeler era. The lack of bodywork folds / totally smooth curves always goes so well with the spiders.

Yeah i know they're rubbish but that griff looks lurvely

PuffsBack

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2,428 posts

224 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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"A Sagaris is only a "pimp-my-ride T350 anyway." - nice and inflammatory, but lets put that to bed. There is a reason a Sag is worth so much more than a T350 (not that there is anything wrong with a T350) but sorry a Sag has so much more presence



MikeE

1,826 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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s6boy said:
robsco said:
Is it just the photo Mike, or is it on 16 inch fronts and 18s at the rear?
That's a good spot, I was just going to ask whether they were 16" as per original T car spec or 18" and it turns out they're both!
Sure you probably know this but Tuscan's weren't launched with spiders, they were launched with the Cerbera 16" all round with a costed option for 18" Cerbera wheels (which I specced on my first Tuscan) before the spiders were introduced in Spring 2000

keynsham

266 posts

270 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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swisstoni said:
The value of TVRs won’t have been helped by owners past and present who are happy to regularly put the boot in to the cars, helping to stoke the pub bore chestnut that they are all rubbish.
I guess the problem I have with this statement is that everyone I know who has had a TVR of any type, without fail, has been plauges by problems. I had a 12 month old Chimaera on the late '90's and amongst other things I had door locks fail and once went out of sync so when one opened the other closed, complete rear end electrical failure, massive water leaks (totally flooded passenger footwell about 3 inches deep). Not good when the electrics and battery are very badly stuffed in the front of the footwell, a constant misfire when warm that never got solved, and paint on various areas of the car just bubbling up in microbubbles. The doors were the older type which had a big push button to open. Water could get down the side of them and freeze them solid in cold weather so the doors wouldn't open. I could go on but I sold it after six months as it was just to risky to go anywhere in. This was a car only just 12 months old remember.

I have a friend with a T350 and that is also a standing joke when failure is concerned. It recently decided to have a total electrical meltdown which involved replacing the heater, fuel pump, fuse box, fuel tank sender, wiring loom and a number of other parts for a cost of over £2600, and not the first bill he has had in the thoushands since he has owned it. The joke was that he was in France at the time and we had already had the discussion about what recovery company he was going to use even before he left!

Don't get me wrong, I love TVR's. As a classic car with little use and constant tinkering they are great buy don't please tell me they were ever well built because if you really think that then you are very definitely looking through rose tinted glasses!!


Stever

1,524 posts

248 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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PuffsBack said:
"A Sagaris is only a "pimp-my-ride T350 anyway." - nice and inflammatory, but lets put that to bed. There is a reason a Sag is worth so much more than a T350 (not that there is anything wrong with a T350) but sorry a Sag has so much more presence


Yes a few trolls hanging around here. Guess they need feeding wink

I absolutely love the T350 C or T and was looking to buy one as an upgrade from the Griff.

At the last minute I happened to find £40,001 down the back of the sofa, Halfords were closed so there was only one thing to do, this happenedsmile





Stever

1,524 posts

248 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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keynsham said:
I guess the problem I have with this statement is that everyone I know who has had a TVR of any type, without fail, has been plauges by problems. I had a 12 month old Chimaera on the late '90's and amongst other things I had door locks fail and once went out of sync so when one opened the other closed, complete rear end electrical failure, massive water leaks (totally flooded passenger footwell about 3 inches deep). Not good when the electrics and battery are very badly stuffed in the front of the footwell, a constant misfire when warm that never got solved, and paint on various areas of the car just bubbling up in microbubbles. The doors were the older type which had a big push button to open. Water could get down the side of them and freeze them solid in cold weather so the doors wouldn't open. I could go on but I sold it after six months as it was just to risky to go anywhere in. This was a car only just 12 months old remember.

I have a friend with a T350 and that is also a standing joke when failure is concerned. It recently decided to have a total electrical meltdown which involved replacing the heater, fuel pump, fuse box, fuel tank sender, wiring loom and a number of other parts for a cost of over £2600, and not the first bill he has had in the thoushands since he has owned it. The joke was that he was in France at the time and we had already had the discussion about what recovery company he was going to use even before he left!

Don't get me wrong, I love TVR's. As a classic car with little use and constant tinkering they are great buy don't please tell me they were ever well built because if you really think that then you are very definitely looking through rose tinted glasses!!
I'm on my 4th TVR covering about 22 years and probably not loads but maybe 60 -70,000 miles - I call out to breakdown when I left the lights on in the Griff. No Rose tinted glasses I'm obviously just very luckysmile